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Meteor says:
(Mon Apr 30 23:40:09 2001 203.109.252.11): *meow*

Reyna says:
(Mon Apr 30 23:39:28 2001 216.191.162.60): ...talking to herself since she assumes she's the only one here...

I was about to agree with Cairo about boys,but then I distinctly remember being a mean little girl...

Cairo says:
(Mon Apr 30 23:33:41 2001 209.240.221.134): Simon's gonna tell Mum. Silly brothers. ST. Germain I don't think that they need 2 parents. When I was all lone in Brazil I didn't htink I wish I had 2 parents, I'd think I wish I had someone who loved me. Your like Mum because you think with your heart adn thats what a Mum is. I think that you shoudl adopt some kids cause they really need you. Its hard I know but they could help you with the hroses couldnt they adn at night they could sing you songs and tell stories. I know a lot of stories so I bet other kids would to. And then they would have a great Mum too. Mum says I have to go (Simon is mean sometimes but youwouldnt have to adopt an boys). Bye.

StGermain says:
(Mon Apr 30 23:33:15 2001 12.77.80.199): angelus-1235 - -mere- is a long-time Bronzer. If you stick around you'll probably see her. We "knew her

when", so to speak. Back before she ever worked in TV.

Why am I not in bed?

StG

slayerdaddy says:
(Mon Apr 30 23:32:07 2001 209.182.160.200): Cairo — Thanks! I have to go to bed now, 'cause it's late here in California. Ask your da if that jewelry is from the time of Brian Boru or is it earlier? Nite!

angelus-1235 says:
(Mon Apr 30 23:30:13 2001 64.12.101.176): i love the angel writer mere smith so much because she is beautifual and she written one of my favorite angel season two eps.refition.i wish i could meet mere smith Juliet landau Sarah Michelle gellar Alyson hannigan Eliza dushku Amber benson Michelle tractenberg julie benz and James masters in person does anyone know there fan address were i can write them letters and does anyone mere smith fan address

OK Slayerdaddy says:
(Mon Apr 30 23:27:55 2001 209.240.221.134): I'll tell her to check it. I'm glad you got my picture. I didn't want everyone to think that I am always sad cause I'm not. You are a knight in my story. Bye.

StGermain says:
(Mon Apr 30 23:27:50 2001 12.77.80.199): Cairo - I've thought sometimes about adopting a child, but I think that kids do better with two parents. I've wondered sometimes if I'd be a good parent. I'll tell you the truth - I like kids a lot, but babies make me nervous. Anyway, You're lucky that you found a wonderful mum & dad, and they are lucky that they found such a great kid. You're smart and beautiful on the inside and the outside. {{{hugs}}}

StG

Cairo says:
(Mon Apr 30 23:25:15 2001 209.240.221.134): I told Simon to leave off and he's mad but he won't stay mad.

Hi Reyna. I ahve to go but I wt to talk to you later. I will be back later I hope you will be to, but now I have to go to the digsite with Da and we are finding jewelry that vikings wore.

ST, Germain Mumsays we will redo it in a bit. Bye everybody.

slayerdaddy says:
(Mon Apr 30 23:24:57 2001 209.182.160.200): Cairo — Hi! Could you ask your mother to check her Yahoo! mail account? I think I've been sending all my mail to that one for the last couple of days... that's the one she used to send the pictures you wanted to send. They were great, by the way!

Cairo says:
(Mon Apr 30 23:21:00 2001 209.240.221.134): ST. Germain, Mum says only one more minute but I wanted to tell you that I saw your message the other day. I talked with Mum aobut how I just want to adopt because someone needs to wan the already children because we were them. Mum said that's not true and if you asked the Bronze they would tell you that they would all want to have you as their little girl. And she said look at me. I have funny brown red hair and freckles and a stutter. If I was waiting for a family no body would have wanted me because you're much smarter than me. And prettier. and stuff, but I laughed becaus Mum is th emost beautiful Mum ever adn she is wonderful adn every body woul dwant her once they got to know her and she said ther you see. Every body feels unwanted until someone gets to know them adn apresiate them. I wanted you to knwo that I apresiate you ST.Germain, adn i would always wt you. I have to go now, bye.

StGermain says:
(Mon Apr 30 23:16:40 2001 12.77.80.199): Cairo - Nope - I didn't get your e-mail. Can you resend it? Your mum said she'd see if there was a problem with the e-mailfrom your end.

StG

Reyna says:
(Mon Apr 30 23:14:00 2001 216.191.162.60): Cairo - Hi! I'm here but I'm not awake. I was really glad to hear that the puppy will be okay.

Cairo says:
(Mon Apr 30 23:12:52 2001 209.240.221.134): ST. Germain, I am glad that you are here. Did you get my email to you yesterday? I sent you part of my story and Mum says that she told you a bit of it just now. I think you are goign to like it because when we are on our quest you are the one who knows horses and I think it will make you laugh a lot. Simon says Hi but Crete is just playing with the puppy.

StGermain says:
(Mon Apr 30 23:09:15 2001 12.77.80.199): Hi, Cairo!! - I'm here, getting ready for bed. {{{hugs}}} How're you today?

StG

Cairo says:
(Mon Apr 30 23:07:14 2001 209.240.221.134): Hi it's me Cai. I just wante to say hi. Is anyon e awake? Mum says I can only talk for a minute and then I have to set the table. Crete has the puppy here.

Little Willow says:
(Mon Apr 30 22:59:03 2001 64.169.135.188): One more post then sleep...

Azaria: It's high time for a triumphant Amy return! Elizabeth Anne Allen has been in one episode per season until this year so far...

Dirty Socks: Oooh, MFK comic. I'll write it! I'll write it! :)

Geo: Without going into spoilers, I just have to say - Why, oh why, does Joss enjoy putting my favorite female characters into vegetable states?

Megdalen: "Always thinkin' thinkin' thinkin'." - Willow

pakensenarrion: "Nice meeting you," as Willow says. I was thinking more along the lines of Julia Whelan for Miss Kitty Fantastico's voiceover, if they wanted a teenage-angst-sounding voice. :)

G'night, everyone. Sweet slaying dreams. "See you tomorrow." - Willow
Little Willow

slayground :: it's a pretty big sandbox
dust to dust :: have your stake and eat it too
your girl :: over two dozen slayworthy sites
rock the rock productions and creations :: we can make your website rock

Penlind says:
(Mon Apr 30 22:58:31 2001 209.240.221.134): Well, my play time is over for the morning. Four sleepy children just poured onto the couch with me, and they want to know if they can have green pancakes for breakast with red milk. Strange children, but who'd give them away? See you all tomorrow!

Irene Adler says:
(Mon Apr 30 22:58:12 2001 63.21.252.210): A Final Lurking Note:

slayerdaddy Just scrolled the previous board. Am I really that predictable? Wait. Don't answer that. But thanks for the cuddle stand-by.

white wings, Reyna masks. Very funny. :P

Penlind 'sokay--hold off on the international mail until I can check out the local used bookstore. But thanks for the thought.

I'm poofed! Darnit!!!

StGermain says:
(Mon Apr 30 22:56:19 2001 12.77.80.199): IreneAdler - You can only post Mathiness like that with appropriate Math Ahead warnings. Really, you should talk to ValMichael and my son PDRabout math.

Penlind - Okay, sweetie. And my offer stands...anything I can do to help. I mean it. I'll be very put out if you don't let me help.

Goodnight, Bronzers.

{{{hugs and prayers and golden dreams}}}

StG

Penlind says:
(Mon Apr 30 22:54:59 2001 209.240.221.134): IreneA...Reading list tomorrow if you are serious, and I still need your snail...I really am sending you a complete set of Chronicles. They are a literary miracle, literally, retelling the important sections of the Old and New testaments in fantasy form...it will bring you such peace.

B or B-....I have students that would sell their souls for a grade like that from me. You're one of those driven perfectionist types, now aren't you? Sell that "poor student" stuff down the road, you top student you.

slayerdaddy says:
(Mon Apr 30 22:54:51 2001 209.182.160.200): Penlind — Try using that yahoo! account... if you can reach the Bronze, that should work for you...

slayerdaddy says:
(Mon Apr 30 22:51:31 2001 209.182.160.200): penlind — Absolutely! which leads into another of Theseus' shining moments in The Suppliants (As far as Greek legends go, Theseus was the most stand-up guy in the bunch with the possible exception of Neoptolemus in Philoctetes

Irene Adler — rubbing frantically Start with Bulfinch's Mythology for a general overview, then maybe The Golden Bough, then you can start rummaging through the yths themselves with some foundation... tho I gotta warn you, you'll be amazed how familiar so much of this stuff seems awful familiar — Western writers have been strip-mining these sources for going-on three millenia now...

Heck, even Alyson Hannigan's done it! Did you know Aristophanes used to use sexy Sarmatian flute girls for comedy relief?

Penlind says:
(Mon Apr 30 22:48:50 2001 209.240.221.134): AngelbabyDTM...Jump in next time, I'll catch you. It's fun! The oldest of the Greek myths are the Thracian, most other Greek ones are derived from the Persian and Egyptian. Thrace has the only pure ones, which makes them much more interesting.

Erlyn24...Finally got to scroll back...a fire!! I know it was next door, but are you OK? And the stink of the smoke must be in everything. How awful.

StG...He didn't mention it, and that is very unusual. He will be back some time this afternoon and I will make him write again. It's amazing how reasonable the prices are on international flights right now, isn't it?

Irene Adler says:
(Mon Apr 30 22:48:26 2001 63.21.252.210): Typing makes my English-speaking good.

You can find your own typos in my last post. I must poof.

slayerdaddy Tonight's exam, I'm predicting B, B- unless she curves it.

I LIVE FOR PARTIAL CREDIT

Good night all, and thank you for the kind wishes.

*poof*

Irene Adler says:
(Mon Apr 30 22:41:59 2001 63.21.252.210): Penlind I always wondered if posting the quadratic equation in the bronze would cause it to self-destruct. Maybe I should poof before I find out.

Fair is fair. I'm think tonight's posts from everybody involved in the myth discussion should be include a reading list. I don't even know where to start comprehending the discussion.

Oh, and pi = 3.14159. . .
Do I start typing in differential equations or does somebody start listing book title for me? Hmm?

Penlind says:
(Mon Apr 30 22:41:22 2001 209.240.221.134): Slayerdaddy...So spot on! And to which I add, Seven Against Thebes.

white wings says:
(Mon Apr 30 22:39:38 2001 63.39.4.23): *backflit as approved by sanj *

Irene Adler - {{{{hugs}}}} from a safe distance. Here, have a Cadbury's Egg? Thoin didn't find this one. And STOP that young lady! You don't need to act out like this. Just calm down. Go relax on the couch. It will be all right.

Poesrose - Welcome to the Bronze. I haven't heard of any slayer being turned, though there has been speculation here about it. I sense unresolved issues with the WC. *g* You are not alone. But I'm kind of sleepy and gone. Have fun.

newfan - new name? Or nickname, should you wish to retain your 'maiden' name? That should be interesting.

Penlind - I still have the complete text of those posts if you get permission only after the archive is cleared. No hurry. But remember that Joss is evil, and he can make his own rules, when you speculate. *g* Buffy hasn't been able to defeat Glory by her 'normal' means, and I doubt that she can. Glory doesn't have a lot of powers, but if she can survive being dropped from a rather high point, or having a building collapse, I don't think poking and punching will cut it. Still, you are probably right about our having only one shot. After all, that's what these apocalyptic battles are all about. *g*

Reyna - newfan=turtledove? You haven't heard the story of how she brought the USPS to its knees. At least one branch of it. Makes one proud just to know her.

elreyn24 - I'm fine. I know the smell though. My parent's house burned down years ago. I was in college, but came home in time to help with some of the cleanup. I still have some smoke-stained mementos. For the people whose house burned, though, remind them that you can recover an amazing amount of stuff if you are lucky, and that if they send anything into storage to try and catalogue it. We had some items that vanished that way, because everyone was too sick at heart to list things at the time, and there was no redress. Fortunately we found a cabinetmaker who could recover water-damaged wood furniture.

*flit*

slayerdaddy says:
(Mon Apr 30 22:39:33 2001 209.182.160.200): Irene Adler — I thought Moriarty was the one who made his rep on the quadratic...*g* eyes her Doc Martens warily cover me, I'm going in... and didn't you wind up with a freakin' A the last time you thought you'd blown a test?

StGermain says:
(Mon Apr 30 22:38:55 2001 12.77.80.199): Penlind - Do you know if Clancy has received the e I sent last night? Or is the mail wonky in both directions? I thought the problem was on my end, but it Irene Adler hasn't received e from her lad, it might be on your end, too. I found some great airfares on the Lufthansa website. The have regular auctions, but you have to travel on the dates that they specify. But if I can fly roundtrip to Europe for $150, I can hardly beat it.

StG

AngelBabyDTM says:
(Mon Apr 30 22:37:09 2001 152.163.204.79): AngelBabyDTM struggles to keep her eyes open after a long hard day at school....she begins to type her only post of the evening

Hello all...I have come out of lurking to make a few comments that most of you will ignore completely....

I was very intrigued by your discussion of Greek mythology in comparison to Buffy...I had no idea what you were talking about and eventually had to stop reading it because I got a head ache. Also, I want tell Penlind and Cairo my best wishes....

**poof**

Penlind says:
(Mon Apr 30 22:35:22 2001 209.240.221.134): IreneA...Now that is just cruel. I'd say "that just greek to me!", but I could read it then. I have no brain for science or math. I am a sad,scared creature in a cold world if we are entering science realms. I will sit over here on a stool with my grad and nervously nurse a cup of cocoa.

slayerdaddy says:
(Mon Apr 30 22:35:03 2001 209.182.160.200): penlind — *ulp* Cairo's working us into a story? O, would some Giftie gie us...

elerayn24 — And don't get me started on Confucius...

add penlind —

THINGS PARTAKING OF THE SPOIL

LA

DEE

DA

Oh, I've no doubt we'll see something bigger, because there's one thing I think we've all been overlooking. We're plagued by these demonic entities of another realm, now by a god from another realm. Well, what are the entities of this world doing? The Oracles may have stood off to one side, but who else is there and are they going to leave Buffy to this bare-handed? I think things are going to escalate. They are heading out of Sunnydale, the armies of the earth are assembling, in the persons of the Knights of Byzantium and Riley's commandos, and I think we are about to meet in a place called Armageddon...

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LA

END THINGS PARTAKING OF THE SPOIL

Little Willow says:
(Mon Apr 30 22:34:35 2001 64.169.135.188): As April draws to a close, so does the Chance fundraiser.

To recap, Amber "Tara" Benson has finished filming Chance, an indie film which she wrote, directed and produced. Oh, and yes, she's the title character as well. She has no sponsors so it's time for YOU to help! The fundraiser ends technically TODAY, APRIL 30th. Thank Amber's mother, BeMu & Mabb for setting it up. Send $15 to get a EXCLUSIVE signed 8x10 glossy photo of Amber in director-mode. Anyone who sends $50+ gets the signed picture & his/her name in a "thank you" list in the final credits. All proceeds go to the making of Chance. Use paypal.com or make out check or money order to:

Benson Entertainment, Inc.

14622 Ventura Blvd.

Box #364

Sherman Oaks, CA 91403-3600

Include your name and return address. They will be keeping the mailbox open for a few more weeks so that the mail postmarked April 30th can get there. Meanwhile, Mabb reports an auction is on the horizon - more on that when it is announced to the public.

The fundraiser site: http://zengurrljen.tripod.com/chancemovie2/chance2.html

The movie info site: http://chance.Amberbenson.net

What are you waiting for? Take a Chance TODAY, April 30th!

The official fundraiser site is run by Mabb, Diane and BeMu. I am just being promoter girl. chance.Amberbenson.net is a subsite, an info source for news, plot, cast, FAQ and such. Both sites will continue to be updated through post production, shopping for distributors, the whole nine yards.

Penlind says:
(Mon Apr 30 22:31:55 2001 209.240.221.134): IreneA...Don't worry about the test! Students always think they did poorly, but it's rarely so. Deep breath and destress. You will find it all went very well, I promise.

Now I know there is something wrong with the e, probably here. Cai wrote to StG, but she hasn't received it, and I know for a fact that Roan wrote you yesterday (Monday). I will get to the bottom of it all, don't worry.

Reyna says:
(Mon Apr 30 22:29:35 2001 216.191.162.60): Some Psycho Named Sam -
Alternate dimensions....quantum physics...Max Planck...dear God, slayerdaddy is right.

Irene Adler says:
(Mon Apr 30 22:27:42 2001 63.21.252.210): slayerdaddy Thanks, but before I allow the foot rubs. . .

Irene quietly excuses herself to the corner of the room reserved for People Who Did Not Study Enough For Exams Because They Got Lazy And Overconfident. Being Catholic, she 'disciplines' herself a few times before vowing to run through those tedious practice problems rather than scan them before the next exam.

Anybody got any chocolate? No, no rest for the weary. I've got papers all due on the same day as the finals next month, which means I have to write them next weekend. Plus, end of the school year rapidly approacheth.

All You Greek Myth People Out There Okay, yeah, I'm impressed. But can you do this

Irene runs over to the blackboard and promptly calibrates the equilibrium concentration of acetylsalicylic acid in a polyprotic reaction, where x = [Ac-].

And the quadratic equation 0 = -b +/- (bsquared - 4ac)root /2a where axsquared + bx + c = 0

Irene sticks her tongue out at the "Greek Freaks".

Penlind says:
(Mon Apr 30 22:25:03 2001 209.240.221.134): Slayerdaddy...

SPOILERIS SPEC. ON BUFFY/SEASON 5
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SPOLERISH SPEC. ON BUFFY ABOVE

elreyn24 says:
(Mon Apr 30 22:21:50 2001 208.188.17.191): Oh dear. I can barely lift my arms, I need to Toddle off to bed now.

Penlind
sorry to hear about your troubles. I hope your daughter adjusts and that "Djo" recovers. My well wishes to you and your family.

elr

Some Psycho Named Sam says:
(Mon Apr 30 22:21:01 2001 24.49.111.40): SPOILERISH SPECULATION

Penlind: Well, we know Buffy can't hurt Glory. But Glory can't fly, or teleport, so she can obviously be trapped. I'm betting we see her sent to some other dimension, or magically imprisoned, or something. Maybe dropped down a volcano.

But I hope not. I'm hoping that Joss comes up with something truly original. He does have a tendency to do that...

SPOILERISH

slayerdaddy says:
(Mon Apr 30 22:20:42 2001 209.182.160.200): And tomorrow nite's innalekshul topic —

Max Planck — Constant or Inconstant?

StGermain says:
(Mon Apr 30 22:19:38 2001 12.77.80.199): Penlind - {{{hugs}}} to you both. Is that the story she's writing for her Mr. Fury? :-) I'm off to bed, but please give them all big hugs for me. And tell Clancy I'm glad he was able to save Villion.

Irene Adler - {{{hugs}}} I'm sure you rocked your mid-term. 'Cause I know how big a smartypants you are. :-)

StG

Reyna says:
(Mon Apr 30 22:19:19 2001 216.191.162.60): IreneAdler - I would ask how you are but I’m afraid to ask how you are. slayerdaddy’s suggesting a cuddle but there’s no way I’m getting that close to you until I know how you are, and until I know what you may have spilled on yourself.

Penlind says:
(Mon Apr 30 22:14:12 2001 209.240.221.134): StG...See what happens when I close my eyes? Thanks, I know I'm being stringent, but she has the Bronze and she has me...we won't let her down, I know. You are her escape right now. Has she told you what the story is that she is writing about the Bronze? A 10 year old girl wanders into the chat room of her favorite fantasy TV show, and answers a daily survey, just as the Bronzers post with same regularity. Befriending the posters within, who bear an uncanny resemblance to StG, Old One, Thoin, the devestating Wolfguard, Slayerdaddy, White Wings, and many other, she begins to discuss the TV show. She answers the questions, half on knowlege, half on gut-instinct, and finds herself transported into the very world, with the very mission, that her TV show had shown. The posters are in fact gods watching for the next hero. With their help via a palm computer, she sets out on a hero's journey. She's having quite a bit of fun with it! It lets her deal with "all this stuff".

slayerdaddy says:
(Mon Apr 30 22:12:31 2001 209.182.160.200): penlind —

THINGS PARTAKING OF THE SPOIL

LA

DEE

DA

Oh, sure, there's gonna be plenty of crouching tiger, hidden valley girl, but that hasn't worked on Glory yet... there is gonna have to be a higher-level conflict involved...

DA

DEE

LA

END THINGS PARTAKING OF THE SPOIL

Irene Adler — Well, do you at least get some decompression time now?

Leila says:
(Mon Apr 30 22:12:21 2001 63.17.88.55): This is a totalt drive by cause I'm off to bed...but I just thought that I'd say hi to.....

elreyn24!!!!
I haven't seen ya in ages! Hope ya remember me! ;) Well anyways hopefully I see ya around!

*PoOf*

Illinois Cid says:
(Mon Apr 30 22:10:45 2001 4.48.137.111): Poesrose: I've been wondering for a while about what would happen to a slayer that gets turned. Perhaps she loses her slayer strength and actually becomes weaker.

amberd68 says:
(Mon Apr 30 22:09:50 2001 205.188.198.46): Hi there..just listening

slayerdaddy says:
(Mon Apr 30 22:09:34 2001 209.182.160.200): Okay, people, Irene Adler's here! Engage cuddle mode nownownow! I want that couch cleared, I want that cocoa hot! Foot rubs, stat! Move it! Move it! Move it!

elreyn24 says:
(Mon Apr 30 22:09:29 2001 208.188.17.191): slayerdaddy
LOL. Ok. From that perspective, yes. And Thucydides is my favorite of the two by far. But I have to admit, I've never heard Herodotus called a suck-up before. LOL.

white wings
Yes, thank you for asking. The house smells much better today. Unfortunately, what they don't tell us is that the smoke is toxic--that burning insulation and plastic items really hurts your throat and burns your lungs. But is better tonight. How goes it with you?

Irene Adler says:
(Mon Apr 30 22:07:46 2001 63.21.252.210): Penlind I'm home now and anxiously awaiting Roan's next email.

Poesrose says:
(Mon Apr 30 22:06:48 2001 152.163.213.177): Hi. This is my first time here, so many apologies if I'm trying to revive a dead horse. I really want to know what happened to some of the slayers before Buffy. Obviously, many of them were offed by vamps. Were any of them turned? Are they lurking about somewhere in the great unknown? What would happen to the mind of a slayer turned demon (after all, Faith broke after just one accidental human death, and she's one tough slayer!)? If any of them banded together, they'd be a heckuva force to reckon with! Perhaps they'd desire revenge against the watcher's council (and wouldn't some of you like to see a battle like that?!!!). Thanks for letting me have a few wishful thoughts. Peace to y'all!

newfan says:
(Mon Apr 30 22:06:29 2001 4.48.142.11): Goodnight Penlind... You are an inspiring mother. Truly. {{{HUGS}}} Oh - May I email Cai? I have a question unrelated to anything ever discussed on this board! :)

StG: Whee!

white wings: Tenacious and deadly...I like it. I may change my posting name! *g* G'nite!

Illinois Cid: I love the spread-the-blame bit! And TM may be the only entity more evil than the DMV! Good luck!

Falling Asleep! No, didn't do all 5 reports! *sigh* Hope we have New Tuesday tomorrow! Good Night All!

newfan
*POOF*

Penlind says:
(Mon Apr 30 22:06:09 2001 209.240.221.134): Slayerdaddy...

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Possibly, but I stil think that the battle will be in the physical plane due to Glory's gestation. She is in a superhuman (note human) form until the rite where she will be seperated from Ben, to do that rite, you need the key, and the key is Dawn...therefore, we know for sure at least one element of the final show. By the time of the final battle, Glory has Dawn. Dawn is also in human form, so between Glory, Dawn, and the fact that a hero can't defeat a full God, something is going to happen before the rite and in physical form.
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SPOILERIS SPECULATION ON BUFFY/SEASON 5

Irene Adler says:
(Mon Apr 30 22:05:45 2001 63.21.252.210): Irene Adler wanders into the bronze after her chem midterm.

Don't ask.

Terpsichore says:
(Mon Apr 30 22:03:34 2001 38.38.51.194): pout :(
notxander says he can hear the cry of the wild sleep monster calling for me now. "Go to sleep, go to sleep," it cries, trying to lure me into the bedroom away from the pleasant atmosphere of the Bronze. Pooh and TANJ. And I didn't even get to talk to Penlind about the talisman.
BTW Penlind, go ahead and give thy children the words for the talisman. It has steadied my own nerves on many occasions.

Terpsichore bids adieu to her friends far and near.

Terpsichore, immortal muse of song and dance
Lalala, dee da, dee da, dee da........tappity tap tap tap.....bow ....and..............curtain.
*poof*

StGermain says:
(Mon Apr 30 22:03:24 2001 12.77.80.199): Penlind - I didn't post her post, just my response. But I do respect her wishes. And if you're all coming back to the States (God willing) and I can help you here in any way, please let me know. Nothing could make me happier than to help you.

StG

Reyna says:
(Mon Apr 30 22:00:47 2001 216.191.162.60): Penlind, slayerdaddy - Spoilery
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newfan - You’re about the furthest thing from a rattlesnake I can imagine. More like a turtledove. But I myself, know the feeling and have very occasionally vowed through clenched teeth that I was going to come back as an assassin in my next life.

elreyn24 says:
(Mon Apr 30 21:57:00 2001 208.188.17.191): StGermaine and Penlind
Pardon this simple interpretation of Buffy's "gift of death," but I took it to mean that she has been gifted with mortality. She can die, and by that death be released from the tedium of immortality. "It's time to die" and "It's a good day to die" . . . these are not necessarily negative things, particularly if you've seen enough of the world -- your mind and body are prepared to die. I don't see death as negative. I can't afford to view it as a bad thing unless it arrives prematurely.
Imagine living forever. Then remember Christopher LAmbert's theme in the Highlander movies. His gift was mortality. He could finally have children and live a rich full liufe with blessings of simple things. I consider this a parallel to vampiric existance. Furthermore, I see Angel as being rewarded for his attempts at redemption with mortality! He can earn the right to return to his human condition--mortal. The gift of death.

elr

Penlind says:
(Mon Apr 30 21:56:01 2001 209.240.221.134): StG...Sorry, I have to close my eyes. She is just about there, but she still wants to keep you Bronzers to herself. It is hard to be 10 and going through the things that she is facing...first crushes (Wolfguard, are you reading this?), and a very sick little brother, and I think even guilt at being happy about finding a show that you adore and people who like you and think that you are clever when Djo is sick. I would love to read what she posted, I have gotten the general gist, but from what I understand, in her mind, she was saying goodbye to Djo. If I read the postings when she has asked me not to, that would be selfish of me. It would only serve my needs, and that won't do. Cai is coming to grips with a situation that is asking so much of her, to have her mother disregard her feelings would just be too much. She has told me how she went online that day to ask what you Bronzers thought of Djo becoming a vampire, and again, all she was thinking of was defeating death at any cost. She has told me that she suggested that Old One or Wolfguard, her hero, could possibly know how to save him. Gentlemen, I am so sorry that you were put in that place. And I know that she posted a description of Djo, but that's it. She has let Simon read it, but so far, she has not allowed me. She needs time to face the grief and the pain, and Mum is always our last fort, now isn't it? The cruelest cut would be to take that from her now. I will read the posting soon, and I want to thank each and everyone of you for watching out for my baby. You are true friends!

Does he mean it? You bet, but give us a week here. If Djo can be operated on or even recieve a transplant, we will all be coming back to the states immediately. There won't be any keeping him away, family is everything to an Irishman.

white wings says:
(Mon Apr 30 21:54:59 2001 63.39.4.23): tail of horror? Good grief. Tale of horror, that was supposed to be.
I think it's getting late.

Penlind - Oh, you have answered a great mystery. Why your posts are sometimes wide, and sometimes skinny, as if you were using a Mac. *g* Actually I wasn't thinking of identity so much as the fact that movies "based" on novels or history usually bear little resemblance to them. I'd love to be a fly on the wall at one of those dinners, though.

Narrator - Oh thank you. Like that bit of explanation won't give half the people here, at least yours truly, nightmares. ;-)

Reyna - Hmm. My one encounter with a rattlesnake ended with me in the hospital, and he didn't seem to be harmed at all. Unless, as has been suggested, he didn't survive the bite ...

Illinois Cid - That makes perfect sense. It sounds as though TM are good candidates for blame spreading, anyway.

newfan - Not more vicious, just more tenacious and deadly. Anyone who can conquer the USPS ... See above to Reyna. *g*

And with that, I'm going to be a good little poster and hit the hay, dreaming of B/A (*g* can't help it) episodes not being delayed.

*flit*

slayerdaddy says:
(Mon Apr 30 21:49:56 2001 209.182.160.200): amy — Thankee, got it now. It's an option, in terms of plot.

slayerdaddy says:
(Mon Apr 30 21:48:01 2001 209.182.160.200): penlind — Flavius Josephus, The Jewish Wars. True, but he was sucking up for his life — if the Romans got tired of him they might have thrown him back to the Israelites he betrayed...

Amy Prager says:
(Mon Apr 30 21:45:40 2001 12.88.103.198): this is for slayerdaddy-

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ben and glory share the same body.
if you kill ben you kill glory.
if you kill glory dawn is safe.
willow can teleport.
willow can teleport minds into other minds.
we know this because in the second to last episode she gets inside buffys head.
bens soul can jump from body to body. we know this form the third to last episode.
ben hates glory and does not want dawn to be hurt.
so if ben jumps into a scooby,and that scooby's soul is somewhere safe,and buffy kills ben's soul's temporary body,glory dies and everyone else lives.
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if you have any questions,slayerdaddy,email me privately.thanks.

amy

Terpsichore says:
(Mon Apr 30 21:44:33 2001 38.38.51.194): Narrator: speaking of fun latin, my Uncle Harry gave me a peculiar tome when I was a teen, The Illustrated Anthology of Sorcery, Magic and Alchemy b Grillot de Givry. There is a talisman in it taken from the Livre de la Clavicule de Salomon, roy des Hebreux. It's legend says that "it has a virtue so great that, being armed with it, if you are atttacked by any man you shall not be hurt by him or wounded when you fight with him, and his own weapons shall turn against him." The text reads "Gladius eorum intret in corda ipsorum, et arcus eorum confringatur." ("Their sword shall enter their own heart, and their bows shall be broken.")
The talisman itself has a simple design on it, eight radial lines and hebrew letters in the Malachim script. The whole thing is eighteenth century Agrippan mysticism.

Penlind says:
(Mon Apr 30 21:43:55 2001 209.240.221.134): Slayerdaddy...I think your right about Joss and Herodotus, but Josephus was much worse.

StGermain says:
(Mon Apr 30 21:43:40 2001 12.77.121.54): Penlind - Using your WebTV terminal, hit Cmd-F, or go to the function box and look fo rit there. I only mention it because you should learn to scrool for your name - people sometimes post things while you're not here, thse is a fast and easy way to find that stuf, or to find the stuff that's posted while you are here. Did Cai let you read her post? I'll post for you what I wrote to her in response. Clancy mentioned he has made plans in case I visit Ireland. Is he serious, do you think? I don't want to come on all stalker-girl.

StGermain says:
(Fri Apr 27 08:55:23 2001 12.77.81.17)
Cairo - I'll give you my ideas on why Djo is suffering. These are just my ideas, you may have
others, and that's okay. I don't know what Djoser's situation was when he joined your family, but
I can imagine, based on you other kids, that he probably didn't have anybody that loved and
cared for him. He was a sick baby, all alone. Then your mum & da came and adopted him. he
now has a family that loves him, brothers and sisters that play with him. He has everything he
didn't have before. You have been God's gift to Djoser. His body was sick when he was born,
and God may (or may not) give him healing. But God has given him something more precious.
He's given him love. Djo has had so much more with your family than he would have had if you
hadn't adopted him. And imagine - if God hadn't brought you together, he could still be sick (if
he was still alive at all) , but he'd be sick and no one would care. No one would love him or rock
him. You've given him all that. And God has given him to you. You've been each other's gifts.

Anyway, that's how I see it. You have my e-mail address if you want to write. Please give your
mum and Da a hug for me when you see them. {{{hugs}}}

StG

Hollyn says:
(Mon Apr 30 21:42:54 2001 207.252.23.94): Hi white wings

Death spec . . .

I'm reading the gift of death in one of three ways - 1. Buffy saves everyone by causing Glory's death, 2. Buffy accepts that Dawn must die in order to save everyone else, 3. Buffy relieves Spike of his vampirism by delivering the gift of death.

SPECS above

And on those depressing notes . . . Sweet Dreams, Everyone!

~Hollyn

slayerdaddy says:
(Mon Apr 30 21:42:32 2001 209.182.160.200): penlind, reyna — which suggests that the battle will be fought somewhere other than this world, where mind and body are interchangeable?

xandman says:
(Mon Apr 30 21:42:25 2001 152.163.197.63): TOPIC WORTH A BILLION POINTS

Not much at the vid store, that I havent seen, anyways, picked up Bring it on with Eliza. Eliza was the only reason I rented it in the first place, and I have to tell you, it was a pretty damn fine film. Especially the old men and the goodies. Anyways, here's the topic for a billion points.

Does anyone know the fresh techno beats that was played during Eliza's backflipping cartwheel deal, when she was trying out for the team. The beat of the music is pretty cool and was trying to find it. If anyone knows the answer you'll get a billion "COOL" points....and a special place in my heart.....actually theres no space left, so you can have the billion points.

newfan says:
(Mon Apr 30 21:42:04 2001 4.48.142.11): Illinois Cid: LOL! Thanks for a humorous look at my tantrum :) OK, you're right - no jail...let's haunt them all. Though I'd personally like to bring them to bankruptcy first. I can be a bit of a grudge-holder! *g* And I did personally bring my local USPS to its knees....but TM is very huge and dauntingly uncaring about customer service. *sigh* Well- at least we can count on the haunting thing...

Amberlynne: Hi Amberlynne! Thanks for understanding! :)

Mia! You have e sweetie :)

RSO Hollyn!

Penlind: I like your reminder about how we 21st-century-ites (word?) have trouble understanding why Dad didn't wait to see if Theseus was on the boat (didn't he forget to change the sail or something???)! Ah, Theseus as the scared boy who gives his life, makes a journey, and returns a hero. Well then that must be Buffy. Perhaps following Glory to her dimension? Or are you thinking of one of the "mortals" as a Theseus character who will make a journey, literally or figuratively? Re: hero's journey. Well the last is certainly our dear Angel, no? And we're all waiting for him to be rewarded with humanity! Do you think Joss read his mythology? He did go to Wesleyan...*g* On a more important note...do you have pierced ears? ALSO - do you know that you can read posts going back a whole week? Go to archives to search for a specific board or just keep going down to the bottom of each board and hitting "previous posts"...that way you can catch up when convenient. We all do that, and we all post back to each other when we can - even if postees are not on the board. Just a hint :) OH - also - is Jamaica still doing well? {{{HUGS}}}

Reyna: I saw that post...it was so cute! The babyvamps do need lots of washing, with the whole all-nekkid all-the-time thing, but I definitely save on laundry! :) Thanks for the white wings suggestion...I'd forgotten about the rattlers!

white wings: See Reyna's suggestion re: rattlers and TM. Unless you have confidence that I can be more vicious than a snake? *g*

newfan
on a mission

Illinois Cid says:
(Mon Apr 30 21:40:17 2001 4.48.137.111): white wings: Actually, I've never had anything to do with TM. I'm mostly PO'ed because I won't be able to drive to work starting next week. It's largely the DMV's fault, but I'm willing to spread the blame to other involved parties and some uninvolved parties.

slayerdaddy says:
(Mon Apr 30 21:39:16 2001 209.182.160.200): elerayn — Herodotus may be the patron of historians but he was not above exaggerating here and there to flatter the great of his day... not unlike Lady Longford's hagiography of Wellington... He's a great read but Thucydides is more reliable on facts...

penlind — euripides: everybody makes that typo...*g*

Frodo says:
(Mon Apr 30 21:39:06 2001 204.120.54.1): Frodo is lonely, it is nighttime and his friends are asleep!
SO's to Adri Aethelaf AKA BECKER Algerina Amaltheia Amberlynne Amorphia Andy AngelRachel BCangel Brandi the Slayer Blade Boo BuBBle Buff'low Catherine Catriona cats Chi Cian Clarrie Corvus Cosmic Bob CYMru DAISY DaRkAngel Devil Diablo Divaliving dualslayers Dunlin Eiddileg Esther EverDawn Extra Flamey fenric Fred greeneyes Hollyn Invisible Girl IreneAdler Isis Jaan Quidam Janni Jeff Pruitt Jj KAM Kameko Kansas Kat in the Dark Katnip Kenicke Kiba Rika Krow Lil Pia Lisa1 Lisa_H Lisa75 Little Buffy LurkingGirl Lovely Poet Lucille Maeve Melody ~mere~ Mh! Menkhare ~Miremba~ Moppety Morella Mump Mrs.Beasley Polgara Liquorice Stick Mark Old One Rachie Rainbow Raithen RHACK88 Riley x 3 redhead §abre Safarigirl Sarah's Carl SarahNicole Seska ShyGirl Slayerdaddy Spacebabie StGermain 'stina Suekib SusieQ Tamerlane Taster's Choice tessera Thoin tiggy3323 (English Slayer Steffi QueenStephanie) valMichael Vilia Wolfguard XLander YOUNGBOB Yummy Myslayre Celine Miskatonic FifiLaRue RoB Pippistrell Roman Around X83 Zedsdead genrefan the red hood

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Penlind says:
(Mon Apr 30 21:37:25 2001 209.240.221.134): Reyna...Yes, exactly! Which is just how it could apply to Buffy, but I have a feeling this is a physical battle.

White Wings...Yeah, Euripides was the Shakespeare of his day, but there's no need to debate who Eurip. really was! Silly debate anyway, the answer to that is in every line of the bard's writing...and the one thing that no Baconian willynilly can explain away. I love to go to stodgy dinners and make the Baconians sweat!

Penlind says:
(Mon Apr 30 21:31:24 2001 209.240.221.134): StG...I'm using the Web-Tv in the living room and I did try it, but it didn' work. I will try it on the computer tomorrow...again, it's a G4 Titanium Mac...will it work? Djo is up on my lap and it's just easier to see the screen on a bigscreen TV. Sorry, I do try to go back and read in between, but then I hurry right back to answer and I know I'm missing a great deal. Will try to do better!

Elreyn24...Sorry again. We started a discussion last night on the hero's journey, and the four endings to it. Heroes undergo a constant repetition of the hero's rules, which end in a culmination that instigates one of 2 things...a final end or a transformation, allowing their pre-ordained directive to be altered. There are only four possible culminations, two are terminal, two are transitive. They are 1-Terminal: A-Destruction..the hero loses everything or B-The hero is Metamorphosized into an alternative entity...Like Orion. 2-Transitive: A-Transformed...the hero overcomes the enemy and is usually rewarded for having done so with a gift that benefits man or themselves. B-Ressurection...The hero gives their life in battle and is delivered back to life by the will of the gods or a concerned agent.

Reyna says:
(Mon Apr 30 21:31:05 2001 216.191.162.60): newfan - I did indeed get your e and your smooches. I’d posted on the board yesterday morning about how much I like getting smooches from you. I was thinking when I packed the bear that the baby vamps might like it. And seeing how they’re nekkid all the time, they might as well be clean. If you need someone to whack TM, I’d suggest white wings. She can work them in between the rattlesnakes.

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elreyn24 says:
(Mon Apr 30 21:29:23 2001 208.188.17.191): slayerdaddy
wait wait wait . . . While I'm all impressed with your familiarity with ancient literature (and ever so green with jealousy of a job that would actually pay you to research some lovely tomes), I am appalled by your reference to Herodotus as a suck-up ?. I respect your right to your opinion, but am left aghast and confused by your reference. In other words, hunh?????

white wings says:
(Mon Apr 30 21:29:20 2001 63.39.4.23): Penlind - Good grief. Could they have possibly come here overposting and using chatspeak? Well, well, a little fear is a healthy thing. I call it creative terror when applied to young programmers. *g* Heee. So Euripides is a precursor to the writer of Hollywood screenplays "based on the works of"...?

white wings notices that she is a bit lighter by a few Cadbury's Eggs. Thoin is fast, all right, but it was expected. white wings knows better than to mention Chocolate if she isn't prepared to share. Still, stolen eggs can be sweeter, and doubtless have fewer calories. *g*

newfan TM must DIE!

elreyn24 - Congratulations on still having your house. Does it smell of smoke?

Hollyn - Hi!

Illinois Cid - I sense a deep and dark tragedy in your history with TM. Some tail of horror. *g*

slayerdaddy says:
(Mon Apr 30 21:29:05 2001 209.182.160.200): Amy proger — I'd be very very grateful if you'd throw a few periods in that speculation because I'd like to respond but I just can't follow ya...

penlind — Ooh, nast thought — what if we're all sitting here doing the Greeks and it turns out Joss has just been listening to too much Wagner and has Giles lock everyone in the Magic Box and burn it down...?

Christopher Marlowe says:
(Mon Apr 30 21:25:13 2001 216.16.6.45): Good night all!

To anyone still lurking/posting, James Marsters is behind Jon Bon Jovi in the '50 most beautiful people' poll by about 1,800 votes. Show your support by voting!

go to:

http://people.aol.com/people/spa/50most2001/poll/index.html

*poof*

amberlynne says:
(Mon Apr 30 21:24:32 2001 24.219.170.67): *yawn* I am off to bed, ya'll.

newfan: I feel your pain. TM=evil!

THX: *smoochies* for when you scroll.

*poof*

Narrator says:
(Mon Apr 30 21:24:01 2001 66.72.126.132): I am avoiding the smart people's discussions because it will just keep me awake. Just here to answer a minion question:

Amberlynne -- "Res Ipsa Loquitor" means "the thing speaks for itself". Res ipsa loquitur is a doctrine courts develop to help a plaintiff prevail in some situations where the plaintiff just can't meet his or her ordinary burden of proof. It permits an inference that the defendant was negligent when: (1) the occurrence indicates that there was negligence; (2) the instrumentality was within the defendant's exclusive control; and (3) there is no indication that the injury was the result of the plaintiff's own voluntary act or neglect. The doctrine would apply where for example, a plane falls out of the sky. There may not be enough left for the plaintiff to show exactly what happened and that the airline was actually at fault. So the doctrine kicks in, because it is a negligent event (absent a bomb, etc.), the airplane was within the control of the airline, and the crash was not the fault of the passengers. Therefore, the plaintiff (or rather his/her estate) can recover for his/her death from the likely wrongdoer.

Btw, when my nieces and nephews were little, I got them bibs that said "Mess ipsa loquitor" - the Mess Speaks for Itself. Sometimes I crack me up. 'Cause there's nothing more amusing than a funny lawyer.

Night all.

Necro says:
(Mon Apr 30 21:23:46 2001 24.138.17.7): Yes...i told a bunch of girls about the naked documentray i was doing. but they just looked shocked and insulted and walked away>8{ so what your saying is i should go to england and do it?

Irishgirl says:
(Mon Apr 30 21:20:43 2001 32.101.162.219): Ok.....I'm watching Leno....and this photographer is on....and he photographs naked people.....just naked people in all these different settings....and Jay holds up this pic of a guy on this bridge....which I think is the Golden Gate bridge....and the artist says 'that's a friend of mine, Dave, in a band named Nerf Herder'.....huh?? Did I hear that right??!?! There is going to be a special on this guy's work on HBO......it's called Naked States.....a documentary, I think, on his work....how weird is that???? Check it out tonight on Leno.....maybe I heard him wrong...but I'm not sure....

Just had to post that

Irishgirl

Amy Prager says:
(Mon Apr 30 21:20:34 2001 12.88.103.198): SPECULATION ON 5th SEASON FINALE
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I have been thinking quite a bit about how this ends and I would like to offer my thoughts and see if anyone can tell me how close I am.:-)
If Ben and Glory share the same body in their dimension,then killing Ben should kill Glory,thus resolving the issue of killing Dawn to stop Glory from killing (or "utilizing") her (Dawn).
We further know that Willow can perform teleportation spells. Since Willow teleports her conscounceness into Buffy's in Thw Weight of the World,and that Glory performs a spell to make the humans (even Dawn and Anya,as they are now human,right?) forget this fact about the hellgods (Ben,Glory and Doc) and only Spike remembers in "Spiral",and Ben's energy jumps out of his body,and he hates Glory to begin with,if Bens energy jumps into a female Scoobee (as they are the ones with magic user ability-Willow,Tara,Anya (it is unclear but I think she retains some level from her demonic days,possibly D'hoffryn or even Giles (!) can assist her?)and the persons soul he displaces goes somewhere safe like the first slayer or something like that-or even faith ( as in the shared dream of graduation day part 2)then wouldnt killing that scobee's body (temporarily)with the soul restored later on,solve the whole mess for everybody?
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Also,Amber- Good luck on Chance,saw the webpage,also kudos to you and Alyson for portraying a tasteful,healthy lesbian relationship!

Amy

Necro says:
(Mon Apr 30 21:20:08 2001 24.138.17.7): illions cid WOW i'd like to come back to hunt all boy bands till they go crazy and kill one antoher=)

Penlind says:
(Mon Apr 30 21:19:20 2001 209.240.221.134): Going to stop and take a breath to make sure I don't overpost, but just had to say...

Newfan...I was thinking of Crete. Theseus travels to face a certain death (It's hard to remember the critical points because we are so familiar with the myth, but disassociate and see it with fresh eyes...Theseus knows he has almost no chance of coming out of this alive. In fact, it is that thing that kills his father. The rest of us jaded 20th c. seen it all in the movies westerners would have waited for the boat to dock, but to the Greeks, this made sense in their insulated manners...the King was positive that his son had sailed to his death. The said was a very very very long shot), descending into an underworld atmosphere, giving his life for others, and emerges transformed by his actions...scared boy to hero.

Terpsichore says:
(Mon Apr 30 21:18:58 2001 38.38.51.194): Nighty-night Ergohunny. Sleep well and dream well.

elreyn24 says:
(Mon Apr 30 21:18:49 2001 208.188.17.191): Penlind
Don't leave me hanging like this!!!! The ultimate sacrifice is followed by WHICH four things???????? you're worse than Joss with the suspence, LOL

wolfguard:
hello, my friend. You have the most wonderfully dark humor. I haven't laughed this hard in a week! Please don't let Joss read those particular suggestions, however. I couldn't bare to lose the scoobies.

slayerdaddy says:
(Mon Apr 30 21:17:27 2001 209.182.160.200): penlind — alas, no, I had a brief exposure to Greek and Latin in a Jesuit prep school I attended for a couple of years... I still retain enough Latin to get the quotations and jokes in Patrick O'Brian's novels (I highly recommend them) but the Greek is a pale and fading shadow... I work at a small press that publishes plays and theatre tech books, in addition to writing my own novels. My esteemed boss is a total Phillistine who publishes the classics because the authors are dead and you don't have to pay royalties, so I get to search out public-domain editions for reprint and prepare them for publication. I will explore Arkileus. So far my adventures in autodidactics have taken me into Euripedes, Aeschylus, Aristophanes, Sophocles, Xenophon, Herodotus — that suck-up — and others in various translations (I am currently working my way through the Anabasis because it resonates powerfully with a novel idea I am developing).

Irishgirl says:
(Mon Apr 30 21:14:55 2001 32.101.162.219): slayerdaddy Cool!! Thanks!! Was wondeing about that....

Irishgirl
Who is still disappointed with tonight's Roswell ep.........ack...poohey...yuck

Illinois Cid says:
(Mon Apr 30 21:14:09 2001 4.48.137.111): newfan: It's nice to see someone with rage that rivals my own. I won't help you with your problem yet, because I don't want to go to jail. But if it's true what they say about people with unresolved issues turning into ghosts after death and being able to haunt the living, I'll help you then. I'll always remember to destroy TM from the grave.

StGermain says:
(Mon Apr 30 21:13:42 2001 12.77.121.54): Penlind - Did you see my post about the find function? Do you use it?

StG

Ergoshakes says:
(Mon Apr 30 21:13:40 2001 152.163.213.48): nighty, nighty bronze! my eyes are drooping

waves to any lurking kanies!

Ergoshakes
Insane for Kane #3

Necro says:
(Mon Apr 30 21:13:40 2001 24.138.17.7): hey whats up with the show this week? they said somthing like "please join us for an oncore eposide" now i thought someone droped the ball on the programing at the tv station here! and that the NEW buffy would be on next! but no!.... rosewell was on next!!@#$@ which is no substatute for buffy or my spelling=)

Necro says:
(Mon Apr 30 21:13:38 2001 24.138.17.7): hey whats up with the show this week? they said somthing like "please join us for an oncore eposide" now i thought someone droped the ball on the programing at the tv station here! and that the NEW buffy would be on next! but no!.... rosewell was on next!!@#$@ which is no substatute for buffy or my spelling=)

Penlind says:
(Mon Apr 30 21:10:05 2001 209.240.221.134): Eurepides = Euripides

Hollyn says:
(Mon Apr 30 21:09:56 2001 207.252.23.94): Mabb: So, am I still able to do the paypal route right now or not? The website was a little fuzzy with this issue.

~Hollyn

Penlind says:
(Mon Apr 30 21:08:22 2001 209.240.221.134): Wonderful questions!!

Slayerdaddy...Eurepides did indeed do a version for stage, as did Arkileus...have you come across him? "I have lost my shield, my best and longest, wrought with graven hands to a sure mettle, and wiped with the thighs of young maidens to a gleam, upon that bloody battlefield, I would go and find it, for if not another will keeping it as a spoil, but I will not, instead, I will live to fight again without it then risk being killed for it, for the better part of valour is discretion..." I love that, don't you just see the warrior torn at the edge of the hell he emerged from? Gilmore Girls, pah.

Anyway, he's uses the myth, but distorts the facts. Shame really, because the original myth has the best language. Slayerdaddy, what do you do? If you read Ancient Greek, let me send you a book with it and you can translate it for yourself. Are you in classical studies?

slayerdaddy says:
(Mon Apr 30 21:07:50 2001 209.182.160.200): irishgirl — Yes, it is...

penlind — Re: your Osiris/Set question...

THINGS PARTAKING OF THE SPOIL

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Hmmm — could the putatively slain Scoobies represent the parts of the sundered god, considering how they did the unity spell to defeat Adam?

DA

DEE

LA

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wolfguard says:
(Mon Apr 30 21:06:37 2001 209.193.234.4): Greetings elreyn24

Speculation on 5th Season Finale

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Good Night to All

WG

Christopher Marlowe says:
(Mon Apr 30 21:06:29 2001 216.16.6.45): GeoI didn't miss that part....I was just in denial. :-)

repeat to self: spike does not die, spike does not die, spike does not die...

Terpsichore says:
(Mon Apr 30 21:05:42 2001 38.38.51.194): Terpsichore rejoins the dance, after clearing her own thoughts and decides a nice sedate pavane will work after all.

Hollyn says:
(Mon Apr 30 20:59:13 2001 207.252.23.94): Hey Everyone!

RSOs to Rosebud, Willowhead, greeneyes, ShyGirl, OzLady, VBF, AngelRachel, white wings, Mia

Amish Boy: Heya! How's it going?

Willowhead: I wouldn't exaclty characterize Spike as returning to wimp stage. He's still strong - just can't use it against humans. *g*

SOs to Acid Cross, Adina, Adri, Aethelaf, Aiglos, AjO, AKA Becker, Alaric, Algerina, Allison, Allyson, Alpy, Erika Amato, Amethyst, Amish Boy, anais, andyourlittledogtoo, Angela, Angelphyre, AngelRachel, Angle Man, Antipodean, Anya, A Polite Bronzer, Arana the Arachnid, Arcadia, Arielle, Asanti, AuroraStar, AussieGirl, Balf, banana, Batra, Chris Beck, Beldin, Bentley, Blackheart, Blade – the Vampire Hunter, Marc Blucas, Blueronin, bluestocking, Boo a mouse, Brandi the Slayer, Nicholas Brendon, Bri, Bruces Mom, Buffman, BuffyRileySlayTA, Buffy Sheridan, Calen, Candy, Candy Kane, Carita, Cate, Catriona, Celine, ~ceridwen~, Charity aka Taygeta, CharlieX, Cherie, chi, cian, Circe, Cirrus, Claddagh, Claris, Clattering, Cleio, Corpelia, Cosmic Bob, Cricket, Crimson, curiousg, Cyrano, Darla the Vampire, David's Chick, deadguy, delf, DeMoriel, Destiny, Destructo girl, devil, devilish angel, Dianne, DoBoy, Doppler99, DreamingHawk, DreamLurker, drdan, Dust’em, Dutch, DV Jymm, Echo, Eddileg, elusio, Erie, Jane Espenson, esther, EverDawn, Faithsbro, FASTEDDIE, Fatima, Fax1, 4paws, Frodo, FSM CDMan, gazoo, genrefan, Chris Golden, Godeater, greendude, greeneyes, Harry Haller, Haven, Hitomi Terwilliger, horizon, Holly Frog, Huntress, Icelord, IMMORTAL, Irishgirl, Ivy, Jaan Quidam, Jamie, Jasmen, jennejenn, JenniferLynn, Jimbo, joey Emma, J.S.K., Juggernaut, jvs, Kaoru, KaraBear, Keywe, Kiba Rika, Kiera, Kimberly, Robert Kral, KrazyKat, Kristen, kugelmass, Labryth, Lady Bathory, Lady Jupiter, Lady Wolfsbane, La Timide, *LB*, Leather Jacket, Lee, the Chicken Slayer, Lil' Tree, Lioness, Little Willow, Lookingglass, Lord Mysty Mage, lost boy, Lovely Poet, LunaMoon, lunec, lurkingb, LurkingGirl, Mabb, Macheath, Maki Maus, Malista, Manx, Masquerade, MeeB, Megdalen, Menkhare, Mh, Miguel, Tim Minear, Mircalla, ~~ m i r e m b a ~~, Missi - my royal momlet, Miss Scarlett, Monique, Morbius, Moriah, Mr. EverDawn, Mr. Gordo, Mrs.Beasley, Mr. EverDawn, Mr. Whyt, mudpuppy, Myslayre, Narrator, newfan, Night Owl, nil8r, ntmt, NuPhalanx, nya, OldManFan, Old One, OzLady, Ozman, Paris_Angel, pdx, Peace Fire, Pixie, Polgara, Prince of Lunacy, Jeff Pruitt, Raelynn, Rile, Robyn The Snowshoe Hare, rojo, RomanAround, RoseBud, Rosencranz, RTBS, rtyrrell, Rum Spike, Sachiel, Safarigirl, Sapphire, SarahNicole, Sarah's carl, Sasheer, scram, Sejin & roomie, Shadowslayer, shehawken, ShyGirl, Sidhe, Sita the Night Goddess, slay_me, SLaYeR, Slayer chick, slayerdaddy, slayerfiction, Some Psycho Named Sam, Sonja Marie, Spacebabie, SpookyMagoo, Starr, StGermain, 'stina, Strawberries, Danny Strong, Suekib, SusieQ, Sufi, Surfstalker, taraAnyaKate4eva, Taster’s Choice, TB, TheaterGirl, the red hood, thy Slayer – my lil’sis~~brat~~let *g*, TV James, unmixything, VaBuffyFan, Vaedus, valMichael, violet, VoxMaille, wanttoknow, weeping willow, Werewolf, Where, wolf?, Joss Whedon, white wings, willa, Willowhead, willow worshipper, Witchy Woman, wolfguard, XANDmasterlurkER, X-Lander, xxM, Yooper, Zedsdead, Zeus, zOmb, the UK Bronzers - Angelus, Catherine/Narnia/Undecided, Cobby, DELiver, DingoBaby, Dru, Elly, GrimReaper, Jennie, Jipsy Girl, Kenickie, lexdra, MedusA, Motorcycle au pair Boy, PDR, Pooka, Rachie, redruM, Sanguineus, Shadowbound6, Shiraz-Petra, TMorel, umbris, the Chicago Bronzers – Angel Love, BATS396, Bubonic Plague, cabin7dad, Closet Buffyholic, dynagirl, Goldspike, greengirl, KAM, Kameko, Kansas, KarenT, Lilly Rosenburg, Liza, LJC, Macho Macho Man, Marissa, maryloye, Mesuvius, Mia, Nicole, Occido, Queen of Shemahka - M.O.M., Shaun, Stakeme@420, Tina, Vanessa, Xander's Girl, Xfiler, and everyone else at the Bronze

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Irishgirl says:
(Mon Apr 30 20:59:07 2001 32.101.162.219): Ok.....maybe I'm a little behind on all of this.....especially since I haven't been on the board in awhile.....but there's this DiGiornio's (sp?) pizza commercial where this guy comes up to a counter and says he wants to deliver a DiGiornio's pizza....the lady says you can't....blah blah.....is the lady behind the counter Robia LaMorte?? It looks alot like her...but I can't really tell. Anyone got any idea?

Irishgirl

elreyn24 says:
(Mon Apr 30 20:58:49 2001 208.188.17.191): RSO's Narrator & Thoin (I see you got another little fifth. How is Mab?)

Penlind:
HI, No commencement yet, Doing practicum/internship for my masters. applying for my PhD program (I think my profs will let me in, LOL) and setting up a new time line for my thesis. All the while applying to a Community college here for a part time job and searching for someone to take on a part time counselor. I'm a little over-booked, so I haven't been visisting my beloved Bronze very often. Oh, yes, and the house behind me burnt down 2 nights ago, my son & I were up at 3:00 am watering our roof. I still have cinders in my hair..... :-( How is your lovely world of ancient myths that I hold so close to my heart?

Penlind says:
(Mon Apr 30 20:57:53 2001 209.240.221.134): Thoin...I don't believe that Death will appear in a divine form. I think it will be metaphorical for....

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As I was saying, if they are following a hero's journey, and it' pretty clear they are, the hero, who fights death in a constant and unrelenting way, will find that acceptance of death is necessary to complete this phase of her learning. What happens when death is a must, usually to save the things that we love. Hercules is not making a completely selfless act...he knows all three of the main participants and calls them friend, a term not used lightly in Ancient Greece. He goes to face Death, literally, knowing that their is every chance he will loose. It is only because of another petty bet between three more of the gods that the fight is even allowed to happen. Hercules goes knowing he will die, but he feels that the sacrifice is worth it...one small chance that the capricious gods will want to see the outcome, and it works. The ultimate sacrifice of the hero is their own death, but in most hero cycles, when that moment comes, it is followed by four things.
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spoilerish speculation on Buffy Season 5 Above

newfan says:
(Mon Apr 30 20:54:47 2001 4.48.142.11): Reyna! You are WEEEVIL! Don't even suggest an awful thing like that! Or I'll break your other hip! *g* you do wear cute jewelry for a geezer though...*g* Didja get my e and my smoochies? Here's more: *smooch* The kids LOVE the bear (They think you sent it just for them! They fight over who gets to wash first!) and I love the rest! You are very clever...

Penlind! *BAP* You may be no Thoin ..and we can all have a moment of prayer for there being just one of her (*weg*)...but you certainly have the fertile mind and way with words! And btw, I've been meaning to tell you that when Cai posts about some words of wisdom you've imparted...it inspires me to "talk up" to my kids more. So thanks, Friend! Re: your theories: I don't remember Alcestis (sp?) but I know Theseus pretty well. Who are you comparing to Theseus? And are you considering Theseus as the bastard son of a queen who thinks his father is Poseidon, or as the questing for his real father Theseus who cleans up that road of criminals and lives as king for a year in wherever it was (*g*), or as the young prince (reunited with his real father) who volunteers to go to Crete and frees all the bull-jumpers from the Minotaur? Did that make any sense??? Or do you just mean Theseus the hero in all endeavors?

white wings: Aha! Sort of aha. I'll e you further questions so I don't embarass myself here! *g* I'm so glad you asked me about TM!!! hatethemhatethemhatethemhatethem

TicketMaster rant below...unrelated to Buffy and containing violent thoughts:

Let's start with the acknowlegement that I, like almost every human in the universe, have been screwed by TM before. This is the latest in a long line of my frustrations with them. kay? So...I've been wanting James Taylor tickets. Very badly. And I want to sit close. They were to go on sale a few weeks ago. I waited in line..TM changed the on sale date at the last moment. I waited online on the second date...same thing. They finally changed the onsale date to today at 10am. A Monday. When people work. And don't tell me I could call...no-one can get through. So I decided to go to a TM outlet. I was told to be there by 9am today for a 10am sale time. I cancelled 2 patients. I got there at 9. Another lady got there at 9:30. An employee showed at 9:45. (Me: "I was told to be here at 9." Her: "9, 9:30...it doesn't matter because we use a lottery system." Me: "It matters to me. I cancelled an appointment to wait here since 9." Her: "HUH?") Anyway, they use a lottery system to determine one's place in line for tickets. So even though I got there first, I was actually second to get tickets...because the other lady "won" the lottery. I remained calm. How bad could second be? I'll tell you how bad! She got 5th row! I (5 minutes later) got second to last row! Second to last! Way in the %^$#&^@ back! After ALL THAT WORK!!!!! I want them to die. All of them. please somebody help me make them all die!

Phew!
*endrant*

newfan
maybe I need a valium?

slayerdaddy says:
(Mon Apr 30 20:53:11 2001 209.182.160.200): Narrator — Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate. hehehehe...

SPECULATION PARTAKING OF THE SPOIL

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penlind — I worked on an edition of Alcestis (Euripedes" version? Haveta check tommorrow) where Heracles shows up after Alcestis has passed on and expects the Fête due a hero, which Admetus as a host is too dutiful to deny him. So we are treated to a drunken Herakles in his laurels trying to figure out why everyone else is so mumchance. When he finds out the truth he of course resolves to go give death a little four-wall counselling (bounce him off one wall, bounce him off the other wall) until he agrees to release Alcestis. But because Admetus has embarrassed him by not taking him into his confidence, he doesn't tell him he has rescued her but demands that the king marry a veiled woman Herakles will bring him, who of course turns out to be Alcestis. (This scene is later evoked in the climax of Shakespeare's Much Ado About Nothing,) I see it as a great scene for Faith... or likewise with Buffy as Theseus and Faith the boisterous, flawed hero who redeems her...

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Thoin says:
(Mon Apr 30 20:51:04 2001 207.112.166.18): Thoin reaches back in from the Lurkage and gives White Wings a fast {{{HUGGLE}}}, during which she cops a couple of the Cadbury's...heheheh...

*POOF!*

Thoin says:
(Mon Apr 30 20:49:33 2001 207.112.166.18): Penlind, methinks you've got Alcestis and Herakles mixed up there. Buffy would be Herakles and Dawn would be Alcestis. Or one of the other Scoobies. Maybe Anya. Or Xander. That would make sense. In a way that is kind of ew, but it would, if one were Admetes and the other Alcestis, and Buffy were Herakles, it would make sense. But as I said, I don't see Joss doing a "personification" of Death. Unless Glory becomes said personification. Then it would be Xander/Anya as Admetes and Alcestis and Buffy as Herakles. Don't know WHAT role Dawn would play in that scenario.

Ah, heck with it. I know when I'm licked. My poor brain won't work and my eyeballs are made out of ground glass. I'm going to bed!!! I was supposed to work from home tonight, but dind't do ANYTHING, which means tomorrow will be SO ugly as to not be believed!!!

GOT to get some sleep.

G'night all!

Thoin
a/k/a "She Who Knows"
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"Oh, please, Uncle John! When's the last time you tore yourself away from ESPN long enough to spill the blood of a she-goat?"
- Harry Doyle, "The Bachelor Party" (Angel)

"Maybe because you're an impotent little Nazi with a bug up his butt the size of an emu?"
- Cordelia Chase "Becoming, Part I" (Buffy)

"I always knew you could do better than a B minus. Now I understand. Your energies were directed in the same places as ours, in fact. It's only our methods that differ. We use the latest in scientific technology and state-of-the-art weaponry and you, if I understand correctly, poke them with a sharp stick."
- Maggie Walsh "A New Man" (Buffy)

"Glamorous LA lifestyle! I get to make the coffee and chain the boss to the bed!"
- Cordelia Chase "Somnambulist" (Angel)

"A vague disclaimer is nobody's friend."
- Willow Rosenberg "The Initiative" (Buffy)

"I'm the Host. Have you met me? I never shut up!"
- The Host "Happy Anniversary" (Angel)

"But you were just soulless, bloodsucking demons. They're lawyers!"
- Cordelia Chase "The Trial" (Angel)

"I am fifth, fear me!"
- Thoin

amberlynne says:
(Mon Apr 30 20:49:14 2001 24.219.170.67): Narrator: Ummm...:::blinks:::: What was that? I didn't take the Latin test before I got my minionship.

white wings: Yes, I see that. She can install her own airconditioner but she has to use a walker to get around? Mmmmhmmmm! I don't have a Master's degree so I can just mumble on about Organizational Communicational theory. ;)

Reyna: Feeling better, I see. :P Shall I raise the VOLUME OF MY VOICE? *L*

tiggy: Not only am I not reading them because I don't want to know what is going to happen but the stuff I am catching, I don't understand. Jeesh!

Mabb says:
(Mon Apr 30 20:49:04 2001 63.198.242.131): howdy :) quick from work driveby...

just a few words...

last c h a n c e

howdy all...coupla things to fill you in on re: "chance"...

1. today, april 30th, is the LAST DAY to buy a pic/credit!

2. we will be keeping the mailbox open for a couple of weeks after closing date for those of you who have sent stuff snail-wise on the last day :)

3. one word...auction. keep an eye on the website for more info, it'll be posted as i get it!

4. once pilot season here ends (i work in television market research) and i'm not working 70-80 hours a week, i'll be updating the site and adding pics/journal entries from post production!

and if you know anyone who hasn't heard the word yet... link 'em up ;)

as always, many, many, MANY thanks to everyone who has supported Amber in her project. very literally, without you all, this picture would NOT have been made. ::::goodvibes:::::

-mabby

Penlind says:
(Mon Apr 30 20:47:45 2001 209.240.221.134): Elreyn24...Where have you been? I was getting worried. Have you gone through commencement yet? Inanna is a very good analogy, we spent some time on it in a Gilgamesh discussion here a bit back. Her Tanit days are my favorite, though.

White Wings...They are scared of all of you. Back in early March, a few stumbled in here looking for me and they were ignored or bapped. Wolfguard was the only one who would talk to them, and that was to firmly explain the rules. Now, they lurk and break into my fun time with constant e's for discussion and chitchat. They are well off right where they are, seen and not heard.

Mia says:
(Mon Apr 30 20:47:28 2001 205.188.197.37): newfan No. I don't believe Andy has a pierced ear. :) *hugs* but you can make me one, well a pair, or I would look silly! :) Have a great evening!

tiggy3323 You have never been to Disney World??? OMJ that must be breaking some kind of law somewhere. Yes, of course you can hide out in my luggage. You need to see the land of happy! it is so much fun. If I can ever get this scanner I paid for to work, I will scan some photos for ya! *night*

Cashmere Sorry about that! I know, everytime I think of Andy *THUD* I do that! lol

~Mia
*night all*

*poof*

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"Well, I-I know the words. he leans in real close and whispers I kinda think it's pretty."-Angel
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I'm the host, have you met me? I never shut up!

Man, you just get darker & darker, and the wierd thing is, your Aura......Beige!

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binks says:
(Mon Apr 30 20:46:11 2001 152.163.205.69): Geo: True, true! It's an interesting plot device. However, it would suck if they used it tons of times, but two might not be so bad. =)

Ergoshakes says:
(Mon Apr 30 20:42:48 2001 152.163.213.48): night paks have some lovely CK dreams

tiggs who has his right leg?

Ergoshakes

Geo says:
(Mon Apr 30 20:41:58 2001 24.184.91.146): binks: I doubt Spike would mind it if it meant he survives... (I wouldn't care if they used something twice, heck I want to see them use it more than that! It is just a very cool plotdevice, IMHO)

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(Mon Apr 30 20:41:02 2001 209.240.221.134): Slayerdaddy...

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Thoin says:
(Mon Apr 30 20:38:25 2001 207.112.166.18): Penlind, thank you! I sort of ALMOST remember that one, but I think I only read it once as a child and then never again. And I don't see this as a current thread in Buffy. Death has NEVER been anthropomorphized in this show, which I think is a good thing. It's something to be fought, but it's not a PERSON. I like that. So no, I don't think this will be a Buffy theme for this or any other season. But a literal descent into an underworld (Herakles/Theseus) would be quite possible, even likely. It's the one Journey our Hero really hasn't taken (if you discount Anne as being in another DIMENSION rather than in Hell itself). I was working, for awhile on a Xander-centric tale called Horton Goes To Hell which was sort of like this (though not quite) and someday I really should get back to it. It was rather a fun little idea...

binks says:
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white wings says:
(Mon Apr 30 20:37:17 2001 63.39.4.23): newfan - I admit that I've been worse at the Antique Rose Emporium. Not too much worse, though. And I'm brooding over other things. Wildfeed? Well, the studio has to get the programs to the networks and affiliates, and they transmit it by satellite. If you've got the right kind of satellite dish and the signal isn't scrambled, you pick it up. Buffy goes out early Sunday, and Angel early Tuesday. What has Ticketmaster done to you now, and how will you make them pay for it?

Lady Wolfsbane - That's sweet of you. newfanroomie has offered to back me up, but we may from time to time BOTH need help. I'm getting prepared to be able to copy tapes. Dark times are ahead.
Oh, do you need chocolate? I've got Chocolate Cadbury's Eggs, and caramel ones, and the creme ones. Laid in a stash after Easter.

Thoin - See above to Wolfie re: chocolate. You have a rain-check pending, as I recall. *g*

Penlind - Do you have my e-addy? I'll put it above if you don't. By the way, your students could make their own contributions to the Board. *g* Refuse to answer them unless they contact you on the board with some additional content. Discussions as to the superiority of chocolate over caramel as toppings are not disallowed, if they can't come up with reasons for thinking that ________ is cute. ;-)

Amberlynne - Ah, some of these conditions are rapid onset, but can also disappear fairly suddenly. *petpetpet* They're just discussing stories, dear. Don't worry. I don't remember who Alcestis is myself. Of course, my graduate degree was in math... She is in the dictionary, but that doesn't go into detail. *g*

Reyna - Well, there's always the road down to the barn. Now that the snakes are coming out, and the chiggers will be around in another month, it is a matter of concern. I'm glad it's warm enough finally for you to think about air conditioning, sorry about the carrying.

Azaria C. says:
(Mon Apr 30 20:36:16 2001 203.26.177.253): Dianne ok good one with the spike and dru related quotage!! But the notion of love is a human trait...spike and dru supposedly 'love' one another i think spike is more infatuated as opposed to in love with... what am i saying...well crap!!...you're so right!!!
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binks says:
(Mon Apr 30 20:36:13 2001 152.163.205.69): Evening all! Stopping by and scrollin' on...

paks-addendum says:
(Mon Apr 30 20:35:17 2001 204.255.184.16): DePooF-Paks smacks self upside the head-learn to proofread

Tiggy That should have been if Lynds is NOT hogging him *g*

Christopher Marlowe Your welcome and goodnight {hugs}.

Paks

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Geo says:
(Mon Apr 30 20:34:05 2001 24.184.91.146): Scooby Gangster: SPOILERS HERE ---->~~I think that might be a clip from Dawn and that guy in her art class holding hands!! There is a side story with Dawn and some friends in Tough Love, (Or so i read)...~~ <-----SPOILERS THERE

Cashmere says:
(Mon Apr 30 20:33:23 2001 24.95.89.186): *getting sleepy*

I'm off to bed...

*waves to Cleio, Amberlynne, Thoin, et. al*

Penlind says:
(Mon Apr 30 20:32:50 2001 209.240.221.134): Newfan...No, I'm just a plain old researcher. My books are the ones that are demanded for upper level classes and never read again. I'm no Thoin! You need a fertile brain and way with words for that career.

Narrator...Hey now, you run rings around me all the time.

Thoin...With you on that one endocrin. twin..I am a diabetic (T1)...been on those bloody shots since I was wee. Anyway, lets take a quick refresher because this is one of the lesser, but most beautiful, of the Thracian (Gee, aren't they all?) myths. Admetus, a king, is assigned the personal services of Apollo for a year after Apollo and some of the other gods get into a, um, manly dispute. Actions are committed in anger, blah blah blah, Apollo is punished by having to take a human form and serve Admetus. Now Admetus loves a girl named Alcestis, who is being chased by every Tom, ****, and Hercules in the district. Through Apollo's help, Admetus wins the girl, but soon falls ill. Apollo beseeches the Fates to spare his master and friend, but they say not unless someone will take his place. From his subjects and heroes to his parents, no on will step forward, until Alcestis says that she will. Admetus cries out no, but too late, as the Fates cackle happily. Admetus gets better as his wife sickens, and Apollo calls for his 1/2 brother Hercules. Told the story, and being a true hero, Herc waits at the door of the Queen and when Death arrives, holds him immobile until Death relents, agreeing to move on rather than miss other appointments. Alcestis is able to recover and everyone lives happily ever after. Boethius gives us a long version based on earlier texts in which Herc taunts Death and says that he will take Alcestis' place, if Death can break free of his wrestlers grip. The hero is willing to sacrifice himself for another.

elreyn24 says:
(Mon Apr 30 20:32:03 2001 208.188.17.191): Hello Bronzers
signing in for a moment.

So's to Penlind, Lady Wolfsbane, wolfguard, Lisa_H, ShyGirl, Leather Jacket, St.Germaine, Liela, genrefan, et al.

Penlind:
Hi professor. Sorry I missed the original Q/discussion. But if we're discussing resurection myths and/or underworld walks -- (and I know this is your field, so forgive this poor newbie) but how about something like the Sumerian myth "Inanna's Descent to the Nether World" . . .? I read it a couple of months ago, looking for early archetypes for Ben/Glory stuff . . . . But it is a story of an attempt to recover a "lost" goddess disposed 7 times over of her powers. I read Kramer's old book on his translations of the clay tablets. Not my field but great stuff!

tiggy3323 says:
(Mon Apr 30 20:31:57 2001 65.8.174.91): Ergoshakes
just take deep breaths...they will be ultra cleansing. as for dragging janni off and getting her some ink. i'm thinking larry would hunt us down. not something i would look forward to..lol. also...my seat is quite comfy. *grins at you from chris' left leg*

Dirty Socks
lmao...you started this. it is now deemed the Kanie Komfy Kouch and Kushions. *G*

Amberlynne
i feel your pain...lol. i have no clue what they are going on about. i never got into the mythology thing. maybe i need to go to the library before coming here...lol. who would've thought an addiction to a television show would cause me to read mythological texts...lol.

paks
you officially get the nicest and most generous Kanie award. always willing to give up your comfy seat for a fellow Kanie. very commendable..*G*

i believe i'm going to go to my tiggy bed now...*yawn*

SO's to Adri, Amberlynne, andyourlittledogtoo, CYMru, chiquens, Corina, Cushy(CK sis), DeAn(no Blood Ties famlet...hehe), Diablo, Dirty Socks(CK cous), Downtown Apartments, Dreaming Hawk(CK cous), dualslayers(sislet), Ergoshakes(CK sis), Extra Flamey(my huggle bunny), Frodo(fellow buffedpics member), horizon, janni(CK mom), kronos, Leather Jacket, Little Hen, Little Willow, Lyndsay, Mia, Molly, Morella, paks, Penlind, PTB, pumpkin, Rikki, Saint Buffy, Scooby Gangster, Shiraz Petra, Sir Chris, Slayerette 2K(sislet), Slayfaith, The Sci-Fi Bard , StGermain, and turtle...

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Thoin says:
(Mon Apr 30 20:31:41 2001 207.112.166.18): Reyna, what do I think? I think I hate you. I think I'm gonna have nightmares all night!!! I think I'm gonna get out my one really good ASH photograph and sleep with it tonight, but I'm gonna wrap it in plastic first so I don't get it all soggy...

Except that ASH is supposed to be back next year. Wonder if Joss will strand him in some hell dimension from which Buffy and Co. have to try and rescue him. Periodically we see him interacting with the denizens of that realm, putting his would-be enemies to sleep with long, tiresome reasoned-out thesis and other ramblings...you think he does this 'cause he's a geek? No. It's a self-defense technique perfected from a shamen in the Orient...a way to confuse your foes by putting them to sleep. Worked for me in Fifth grade...heheheh...

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paksenarrion says:
(Mon Apr 30 20:31:21 2001 204.255.184.16): Dirty Socks Sure, as long as Lynds is hogging him. {{Hugs}} and {{Smoochies}} Sweet CK dreams.

Penlind's Grad Students *BAP* Please leave her alone, as she has some very interesting topicy type things to post. Thanks.

Cashmere I did purple hair once-it sure got alot of comments. Now it varies in shades of red-otherwise, it would be alot of grey :(.

Ergo Methinks we are getting a little to alliterative lol. Komfy Kushions on the Kanie Kouch-rofl.

Cleio You have E. :)

time to go {{Waves}} Goodnight to all.

Paks

InsaneforKane#21
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Sir Chris is a Hottie #5
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member of Procrastinators anonymus...well I'll join tommorrow
I am the Patron Saint of Lost Causes
The truth is out there
Arachanphobia-not just a movie
Tagdropper extraordinaire
Ladies and gentlemen take my advice. Pull down your pants and slide on the ice-Dr. Sidney Freedman
The next Star Wars..less Wookie, more nookie...Jay Leno
The heart chooses as it will and time is NOT a factor...Thoin

Geo says:
(Mon Apr 30 20:31:19 2001 24.184.91.146): Christopher Marlowe : AH, my friend, you missed one tiny part of my post there... Spike would be human if they used the Box that resurrected Darla... (not a vampire) =) *Eg*

Reyna says:
(Mon Apr 30 20:28:58 2001 216.191.162.60): Amberlynne - I’m sorry, dear. Did you say something? My hearing isn’t what it used to be….

white wings - I have nice warm weather so I’m happy. I carried an air conditioner up a flight of stairs yesterday, and I am a couple of inches shorter, although my fingers are longer. Sorry about the dumpster, can you find something else to whack in the meantime?

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Christopher Marlowe says:
(Mon Apr 30 20:28:44 2001 216.16.9.85): paksenarrion Thanks for the answer. And don't worry about drooling, I now wear my drool-slicker before coming here. .

I learned the hard way after drooling all over myself over Spike. The clothes took such a long time to dry!.

geo

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RE: Spike moving over to Angel

I have a difficult time with seeing Spike in Angel. One reason is that if Spike is back to being evil, he would fail to defeat Angel like he did with Buffy. A one-on-one battle with Angel would always put him on the losing side. I don't think he would put up with being under the control of W&H, even less than Darla and W&H experiences with Darla would make them reluctant to use a vampire as a tool against Angel again.

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StGermain says:
(Mon Apr 30 20:28:14 2001 12.77.80.212): Penlind - You have mail. :-)

StG

Narrator says:
(Mon Apr 30 20:25:36 2001 66.72.126.132): Amberlynne -- I'm trying!!! I could use my Latin on them. It's not much, but here goes:

Res Ipsa Loquitor

Well, that was unimpressive.

Thoin -- I am so unimpressed by your claim of lack of knowledge. You were able to identify Herakles/Theseus, which is more than I can do.

Penlind, Thoin, slayerdaddy, Cashmere, etc. - You know I'm kidding, right? *g*

wolfguard says:
(Mon Apr 30 20:23:28 2001 209.193.234.4): David Mello,

The Somebody to Love by Queen, same song originally done by Jefferson Airplane? And "Caritas." Someone once posted a translation for it, but I do not remember. Do you?

maryloye,

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Besides, "death" may mean many things. It may only be a metaphor.

Would Joss kill a character or have a character act out character simply for shock and surprise? If there are two more a seasons in the epic and we assume the final season deals with the ending transition, then what does the sixth season's tales have to tell? How do you set that season up?

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Thoin says:
(Mon Apr 30 20:22:11 2001 207.112.166.18): Cashmere, thanks! I'm naming this one Penny, to go with little Cairo and little Djoser. Thoin scoops up little Penny, who seems bright enough, and quite cheerful, and cuddles the sweet little thing for a moment before wrapping it in a soft cloth and tucking it away in the Purse...

Thoin says:
(Mon Apr 30 20:19:38 2001 207.112.166.18): Slayerdaddy, the reason I'm cringing at this thread is that Theseus HAS to be either Xander or Giles (and I'm leaning toward Xander here) just on personality and position in her life, with Buffy as Herakles (she IS the hero of the show, y'know). I'm just hating what that means for two of my favorite characters...ick.

Cashmere says:
(Mon Apr 30 20:18:36 2001 24.95.89.186): Thoin congrats on the fifth!

Penline sorry I stuck my foot in my mouth on that one...of course the idea of the hero/ine's journey disturbs me...guess it wouldn't be a mythic journey without a bit of pain, eh?

*blows dust off her dictionary and mythology textbooks*

Narrator LOL

Cleio of course the face paint is never optional!

slayerdaddy says:
(Mon Apr 30 20:17:28 2001 209.182.160.200): penlind — You brought grad students in here? Have you explained to them what lurking to ambush the prof will do to their grant applications?

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Not as familiar with Osiris/Set as I am with the Greeks (work with them a lot at the publishing house where I slave). Gimme a minute to research real quick and I'll get back to you...

Thoin says:
(Mon Apr 30 20:16:51 2001 207.112.166.18): OH! And did I mention...

I AM FIFTH, FEAR ME!!!

Killamber says:
(Mon Apr 30 20:16:22 2001 24.184.91.146): EVERYONE!!! Look at this! This is freaky!! if you are going to see "Tough Love" tomorrow, then read this and do what it says!!!! Joss has been devious and sneaky on us!!!

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Go to the Trailer and pause it on the scene where Willow is running across the grass! then use the fast forward and slowly click it until you come to a close up face shot, its Tara and Glorys' fingers are right up against her head!!!! You can believe Tara gets it folks!! This is it!
TOUGH LOVE TRAILER IS HERE!
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David Mello says:
(Mon Apr 30 20:16:01 2001 205.171.74.251): To Geo....
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I'm saying the Slayerettes wil desert Buffy AFTER Glory is shredded by one way or another. Then they see their mistake when season six starts, helps her out, reconfirm their loyalty, lots of crying, etc.
Someone else suggested everyone except Buffy dies, she nails Glory, and is all alone.
One problem with that idea....that's how the last season of Sailor Moon ended...before they were resurrected in the final five minutes.
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Eternal Covenant of Slayer Supporters
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Thoin says:
(Mon Apr 30 20:15:38 2001 207.112.166.18): Narrator, I'm only weighing in on the Herakles/Theseus one, because I don't remember the other. I'm sure I read it, but can't for the life of me recall anything about it. But then, I gave my mind up for Lent and went and lost the claim check...

I'm also off my thyroid meds and can't reach my doctor to get a new perscription, so my thought processes are of the fuzzy lately. Sigh...

Ergoshakes says:
(Mon Apr 30 20:13:51 2001 152.163.213.48): sorry DS I mean Komfy Kushion (having the whole lack of sleep, word choice problem) *ergo realizes DS isn't gonna think that's any better*

Ergoshakes

newfan says:
(Mon Apr 30 20:11:57 2001 4.48.142.11): ...writing reports...really I am...only 5 due tomorrow...*sigh*...I could have started before tonight! *g*

Mia! You think Andy has a pierced ear, yes or no? I didn't quite understand your response...heeee :) Cuz if he does...I could make him an earring for his birthday ...???

White wings! Got your e's and I'm glad you are following in my shopping footsteps! *g* I await taping experimentation results eagerly! But your second e...well I confess to being confuzzled....what on earth is a wildfeed? *dazedlook*

Lady Wolfsbane: I see that Thoin gave you some Liv-a-Snaps...and you might ask white wings for some Creme Eggs...but I have some double chocolate chip cookies here for you...on account of missing Buffy and all!

Penlind! Hi Friend! I saw your post from last night :) I know "The Red Tent" (Yes, Diamanti) is fiction...but it's fascinating I think. When you publish, is it novels? Do you read Mary Renault? She writes historical novels and wrote a great one about Theseus..."The King Must Die". We're all glad to hear about the puppy btw :)

newfan
TicketMaster Must Die...grrrr to them

Geo says:
(Mon Apr 30 20:10:53 2001 24.184.91.146): Narrator, Penlind, slayerdaddy, Thoin, et al: Ooh! I like this

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"Love is pain", after all...

David Mello says:
(Mon Apr 30 20:10:28 2001 205.171.74.251): Rather than see Anne Robinson say that American game show contestants are the most brainless in the world, I'll tackle Wolfguard's survey...
Angel wouldn't make it if it wasn't a Buffy spinoff because it's been done before, as Forever Knight, Dark Shadows and Kindred. The fact that it's a spinoff gave it a chance to live
1. As we know, he left to save Buffy. He thinks their love will kill them both, since it nearly did in "Becoming". He sees no future for them and their love.
2. Doyle told Angel to keep away from temptation (i.e., bloodlust), and try to connect with his fellow living man.
3. Angel succeeded in that in organizing a group that helps the helpless
4. the moving moving scene was Doyle sacrifing his life for people he didn't know. He was an example for Angel to follow. "IWRY" is a close second.
5. What was resolved is that Angel is now certain he has a purpose which is to fight evil as best he can, and that maybe he will be rewarded with redemption. The unresolved part is Darla...
6. who represents Angel's part of homicidal fun and murder, with a song in his heart. The fact that she's there shows he's capable of relapsing big time, threatening any hope of salvation
7. The most moving scene from this season was Angel savinf kate a few seconds after his epiphany. I'm probably wrong here
8. The Host's deal? Maybe he's also a demon who wants to repent by helping others through Caritas. His song? Gloria Gaynor's "I Will Survive", or Queen's "Somebody to Love"
9. What is the deal with W and H, and do they expect Angel to be their next Employee of the Apocalypse, betraying mankind for the most frivilious of reasons?
10. How about another mysterious man in black who's as cool as Angel? Some suggested splitting Angel in two, where the good side battles the bad side...but this wouldn't work for an entire season. Maybe six episodes tops.

David Mello, Impaler General
Eternal Covenant of Slayer Supporters
Yuba City, CA

amberlynne says:
(Mon Apr 30 20:08:44 2001 24.219.170.67): Cashmere: Oh, sounds lovely! Kings?!?! You mean the basketball dribbling Kings, right?!?!

white wings: I did notice that. I mean, when Reyna and I first met, she was a leather catsuit wearing security h*ttie and she has suddenly become a bad backed geriatric. *l*

Narrator: Make the smart people stoooooooop! holds her poor only bachelor's degree having head in her hands and whimpers

Dirty Socks says:
(Mon Apr 30 20:06:50 2001 24.226.0.225): Paks Sure! Offer me CK's leg just as I'm leaving. *g* How bout you save it for me tomorrow for post Buffy and Angel sitting. :)

Ergo Aw cripes, NOT the Komfy Kanie Kouch!! There's only so mank K-words one can take! *g* And MWHAHAhahaHA! :)

Going to bed - later all!

Dirty Socks

StGermain says:
(Mon Apr 30 20:06:49 2001 12.77.80.212): Convenience reposting

Penlind - You have mail. I got your second e. Nothing from Caro yet. Also - do you know how to use the search function to look for posts directed to you? If you hit Ctrl-F and put your name in the box, then hit enter, you can find anything with your name in it. Did Cai ever let you read her post?

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Narrator says:
(Mon Apr 30 20:05:23 2001 66.72.126.132): Penlind, slayerdaddy, Thoin, et al -- You folks are going to discuss "the possibility of Joss following the Herakles/Theseus or Heracles/Alcestis myths, with the hero/ine descending into the underworld to rescue/be rescued...?"?

Golly, does this place come with CliffNotes?

I mean, I need a dictionary just for the words.

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Penlind says:
(Mon Apr 30 20:05:10 2001 209.240.221.134): Sorry everybody, my grad students have learned to lurk here so that I can't avoid them. One was watching for me and I had to help him quickly. Back now I promise...any more of you out there just shoo! Regular office hours are being observed. Drink your coffees in silence and let me talk with my friends.

Cashmere...Thank you. I wasn't sure what we were doing wrong, so I'm very glad to hear that it wasn't serious.

Thoin...You are a rabble rouser. My Mum warned me of your sort.

Reyna...Thank goodness, I felt terrible!

Newfan...Are you here tonight?

White Wings...I have to e you about something that is happening again. I am e-ing StG in a moment, in case my other one didn't get through, and I will bring you in on this also.

Slayerdaddy...Here we go!

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slayerdaddy says:
(Mon Apr 30 20:04:47 2001 209.182.160.200): maryloye — You know the guy who sat behind Tom Cruise in "Top Gun"? The guy who everyone in the audience said, "Oh, s**t, he's dead," when his wife Meg Ryan and his adorable little kid came running off the airplane? That's a "sympathy frag." "frag," BTW is an old army term denoting a rather thorough way enlisted line doggies used to express a vote of no-confidence in their officers...

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Lady Wolfsbane says:
(Mon Apr 30 20:04:37 2001 216.209.106.130): People vote James Beautiful contest thing
Vote for James... cause it's mindless and funny!

Sarah's carl
I like his smile. Dear lord, even my mother adores his smile. She sighs at him on commercials, and all in all it's very disturbing. But, trust me... I'm not that far gone.... he is so not my type, all cheerful and sappy charming on the screen... *shiver*. He's the anti-bad boy.

white wing
I will deliver much sympathy in the future, I promise. And tapes if you need a tape-buddy. *g*

Thoin
Things are good - still trying to get a passport - they rejected my first guardianator. They're idiots BTW... goverments is. I like the sounds of the new snaps...

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agslayer says:
(Mon Apr 30 20:03:51 2001 152.163.194.189): hello.....

Cleio says:
(Mon Apr 30 20:02:35 2001 129.37.172.165): Rebecca Lynn mmmmmm Michael. Just send that boy on over. lol

Cashmere LOL well just paint your face and no one will notice. ;)

Cheers,
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paskenarrion says:
(Mon Apr 30 20:02:10 2001 204.255.184.16): Paks hastily dons her special spoiler blocking glasses, as she has decided she wants to be completely spoil free. She has brought several other pairs for anyone who wants them. BTW, Thank You to all who are propoerly marking Spoilers :)

Dirty Socks Keeper of Christian Kane bracelet {{Hugs}} Here, have a seat on CK's right leg. I've hogged it long enough.

Paks

Thoin says:
(Mon Apr 30 20:01:16 2001 207.112.166.18): If I can collect it, that is...

Fifth?

Thoin says:
(Mon Apr 30 20:01:15 2001 207.112.166.18): If I can collect it, that is...

Fifth?

Thoin says:
(Mon Apr 30 20:00:36 2001 207.112.166.18): Ah...at last...board change and time for my sweet, shiny, sentient little...

FIFTH!

to be collected...

Ergoshakes says:
(Mon Apr 30 20:00:29 2001 152.163.213.48): dirty socks it's definitely Kouch, lol! is the comfy couch available? is it worth even asking that question? lol!

yep tiggs I saw larry's post about janni, lol! I think while he's not looking we grab her so she can get some ink. tee hee! only breathing for a second tiggs, I have a 25 minute presentation on my final paper for Gothic on Wed. and I've done no research - woohooo!

Ergoshakes
Insane for Kane #3

Geo says:
(Mon Apr 30 20:00:25 2001 24.184.91.146): first of the new board! (?)

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Little Willow: Nice roundup! LMAO! As far as the exotic pets thing goes, what if Spoilers here---->~~tara the vegitable asks Willow if they can have a pet party and bring Amy and MKF and Anya gets all excited and gets a dog or something~~<-----Spoilers there =) I think the misadventures of MKF could be integrated with the spoiler a few lines up and Amy could have voice overs too!! =) hehe, how cool that would be!!! Your brain must be removed and studied by the worlds top scientits!! (joking, its perfect where it is!)

Sephiroth: Hey! Sorry about taking so long to get back to you! I have been in analyze mode all day! as you may have noticed! heh, hope you feel better too!!! Have some chicken soup, it works!

Azaria C. : That is my feeling exactly!! I don't believe Spike is good at all! its a temporary thing at best! =)

Dianne: Great observation!! I forgot that the Judge said that to Dru and Spike!! hhmm, interesting explanation right there for Season Five Spike... nuff said! =) Thanks!!

maryloye: I like that Wanda quote - "whoever you think it is, think bigger"!!! That supports my theory that SPOILERISH HERE---->~~Buffy and Dawn might switch bodies and Buffy may die in Dawns' body!~~<------ENd SPOILERS... It certainly is a bigger death than having one of them die! its got a bonus! =/ heh

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SPOILERS FOR TOUGH LOVE (Season Five)!!!

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Go to the Trailer and pause it on the scene where Willow is running across the grass! then use the fast forward and slowly click it until you come to a close up face shot, its Tara and Glorys' fingers are right up against her head!!!! You can believe Tara gets it folks!! This is it!
TOUGH LOVE TRAILER IS HERE!
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SPOILERS FOR TOUGH LOVE (Season Five)!!! END

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