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Adina says:
(Sat May 5 23:56:23 2001 172.139.6.215): (S)HE who is all too fond of caps In the United States that was the order in which those particular episodes aired due to the WB's discression following school shootings at Columbine.

Sephiroth says:
(Sat May 5 23:56:03 2001 64.108.10.232): So basically WITT is the extended version of when we post something like "Sephiroth barges into the Bronze and looks around for janni, but doesn't see her so he leaves." right? I always thought that was just something to describe a little more in depth about what you're feeling at the moment or something. I never knew there was a game made out of it!

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WITT ETIQUETTE says:
(Sat May 5 23:52:40 2001 24.4.254.107): ITALICS ETIQUETTE

What you are about to witness is what we call WITT (which stands for Whedon Improvisational Theatre Troupe) or Italics Theater. This means when you read a post in italics, the person is describing actions as though they are happening. Usually one or two people start something (a game of Calvinball, and invasion, a funeral) and other people join in. Sometimes there is a specific goal for a WITT (the recent Thanksgiving Day Parade), sometimes it's just spontaneous (Calvinball). Italics theater is open to everyone. Anyone can participate in an italics theater/game/whatever. The point of WITTs is to have fun and be creative and keep the game going. Thinking on your feet and adapting to changes in the game is crucial.

Following are a few pointers regarding participation:

--SCROLL!!! For the love of Joss, scroll. The importance of this cannot be emphasized enough. If you want to participate and actually be recognized as participating, YOU MUST SCROLL the previous events. Nothing is more aggravating for the players than to have someone walk in and start announcing events or actions that contradict established plot. If you do start posting things that contradict the story, you will be ignored.

- Do not end the show! Anyone can participate, but it is bad form for a person to come in and try to end the game/show/whatever themselves. The only person who should end the WITT is the person who started it, unless they publically give up that option. In other words, if the point of the WITT is to catch the Golden Snitch, don't post "GenericBronzer swoops in and catches the Snitch thereby ending the game." The point is to keep the action going by being as creative as possible until the person who started it decides to conclude. The best WITTs leave openings for other people to react and work off what you do. This also means that you cannot kill another participant without his/her/its express permission. Maiming is okay, but you can't actually cause death. Tangents are a perfect way to get involved without mucking up other people's plot lines.

--Side note about Calvinball games: the purpose of Calvinball is to not just score as many points as possible, but to a) be creative and b) make up the craziest rules you can think of. A tip for new folks, if you don't know what Calvinball is from the comic strip, don't get involved. You'll be lost.

- Do not drag innocent bystanders into the WITT. This is a purely voluntary game. It is not acceptable to force other people into a WITT by writing them in. Only Bronzers who are already participating (or your very closest friends who you know won't mind) can be affected. All celebrities, historical and public figures, fictional characters and/or creatures and sundry inanimate objects are fair game.

- You cannot ignore the actions of others. If you join in, you have to accept that other people can then do stuff to you. Obviously, people are writing posts at the same time and all actions may not be accounted for. However, any major developments should be recognized unless they are beyond reasonable (i.e., something that ends the game, puts another active player out of commission, etc.). In other words, if you start running across the Bronze to tackle GenericBronzer and that person then posts that you fall into a vat of Jello, you have to accept that and write yourself out of that situation. Just laughing and saying "You missed me" will result in punishment.

- This is a family board. While there are many discussions pertaining to the show, and other things, that have adult content in them, this is still a family board. That means we try to keep the fun on a family level and avoid obscene content during WITTs. Suggestive is okay, but nothing graphic.

- What happens if I ignore these rules and do my own thing? Well, we'll label you a bezoar and a spoilsport. Often we will react in kind and might tie you to a tree outside a convent (if you're lucky.) Mostly we will ignore anything you say and continue to play as if you are not there.

(this is for regular WITT that is taking place across all boards and involves numerous people so this may not apply)

Allyson says:
(Sat May 5 23:52:33 2001 64.12.104.186): FSM CD Man Dude, Whedon
Improvisational Theatre Troop.
Italics theatre. You know,
Canadian Hotties?

DarkLady, Monique, Narrator,
'stina, Kristen All on the
same board. Now THAT'S a force
to be reckoned with. I'll take
that over tallow any day of the
week. restraint

slayerdaddy Yes, i
have decreed it. The rules no
longer apply to me. There, it's
in italics, so it must be a good
thing. I feel as though it will
bring comfort and a release of
tension in the Bronze if I no
longer follow rules. When you're
there gimme your fifth or I'll
beat you, and name it
HellBitch. ok, i
failed. that wasnt
restraint.

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Narrator says:
(Sat May 5 23:51:51 2001 64.108.199.171): slayerdaddy -- Hey, I would not have blow up the candle, or whatever happened to it. BUT neither would I have ever posted it. Just as I understand that you and others can feel that blowing it up was intolerant behavior, I can also understand that the person who did that and others can feel that posting the candle was intolerant behavior.

If it's a WITT (and again, I really have come to doubt it), then the unique nature of this particular WITT is that everyone on the board at the time is dragged into it. And since, no permission was sought or given, they are free to blow it up. If it's not a WITT, it's a comment about the board. And, it invites an in-kind response. I wouldn't have responded that way, if at all, but I think a fair argument can be made that the response was invited.

Finally, since we are talking about candles and all, I want to say that I have no flames for you, Margot, Monique, StGermain, et al who posted concerning Penlind, Cairo, etal. I respect your opinion on the matter greatly, as I respect theirs.

Buffy Summer says:
(Sat May 5 23:50:19 2001 203.87.1.96): I JUST WANNA SAY WHO EVER PUT TOGETHER THE BOX SET PART 2 FOR SEASON THREE MADE BI A BIG MISTAKE. ON THE THIRD TAPE THERE ARE THE THREE EPISODES EARSHOT, GRADUATION PART ONE AND TOW. ON THE COVER ITS SAYS IT IN THAT ORDER ON THE ACTUAL VIDEO IS OGES GRDUATION PART ONE AND TWO THEN THE EPISODE EAR HSOT WHICH DOESN'T MATCH IN COS ANGEL IS ON THE EPISODE EARSHOT AND HE LEAVES IN GRADUATION.
GOOD ONE.

DarkLady says:
(Sat May 5 23:49:59 2001 24.4.254.107): First off, I figgered out Act II. I'm soooo happy I can't begin to describe it. Writer's Block sucks!

Now...

Let me be blunt.

Repeatedly in the past, people complained that they got dragged into the 5th WITT without their consent. It's pissed a lot of people off. I myself made a lot of posts saying "knock it off, it's not polite to involve somone in WITT when they don't want to play." Eventually that objectionable behavior got toned down, but it took a while. There's some outstanding hostility over this.

Tonight Allyson who is, by her own admission, having a spectacularly bad day (er-possibly week) crashed into Irene Adler's "WITT" (not sure that qualifies but whatever) Personally I think her actions were a bit much, plus they go against the accepted guidelines for WITT ("Do not end the show"). I do however understand the underlying concern, which is stifling people when they start getting heated in a discussion.

Well guess what? There is a very simple and much less problematic response to both. IGNORE IT.

Someone drags you into a WITT against your will, object and then carry on as if it didn't happen. We do the same thing when people post inappropriate stuff during a full blown WITT. We ignore it and carry on.

And if you feel someone is suggesting you should stop speaking your opinions because your mad and causing "tension in the Bronze" IGNORE IT. No one here can force anyone to stop talking unfortunately Generally, if I'm upset enough to have more to say, I just say it. If people don't like contention, you are so in the wrong place.

and I'm gonna post the totally unofficial WITT guidelines so we all get a refresher....

DL

'stina says:
(Sat May 5 23:49:12 2001 24.176.237.78): Margot: Hey there! I'm very much out of the loop, but I've known you for years and I know that you're not one to act without considering everything first. Due to a chronic allergy to SPOILERS I've been laying low lately, and I only have the basic outline of what's going on. I don't have enough data of my own to make any sort of evaluation on the situation.

'stina
~~Oh, and if it is a hoax? university professor? sounds like B--B--.~~

amberlynne says:
(Sat May 5 23:46:07 2001 24.219.170.67): ScaryGodmother: WITT= Whedon's Improvisational Theatre Troup (I think). I am not sure how to describe it...um...italisized role playing? And yes, I did see James on FX but I also caught the E program you were referring to. Interesting stuff. :)

No really, I am going to bed!

Sephiroth says:
(Sat May 5 23:45:37 2001 64.108.10.232): Margot - Oh I see, well okay then. I get very confused at times, as most people who know me can tell you =) Well I never knew Penlind that much but Penlind and Cairo's story got to me. But unfortunately the first time I heard about it was through an email to my dad saying I was harassing them which really hurt me that people think I would do such a thing. Well all the confusion should be over now, there's no need to continue it.

'stina says:
(Sat May 5 23:44:35 2001 24.176.237.78): WITT: Whedon Improvisational Theater Troupe. (aka Italics Theater). Started back in late 1997, early 1998 (while I was studying for the Texas Bar Exam). Has evolved into several incarnations ranging from calvinball to full blown stories with resolutions to bronze enterances.

Bronzer history, something I actually know something about...

ScaryGodmother says:
(Sat May 5 23:42:12 2001 65.24.219.195): Okay, I think I'm getting the gist, but what does WITT stand for? I'm utterly sans clue.

Margot says:
(Sat May 5 23:40:42 2001 207.103.144.208): Sephiroth: I meant that if Penlind's leaving hurt you, then I am sorry because I am one of the reasons she left. I meant that I was actually trying to prevent Penlind, her family, or any Bronzers from being hurt. I meant that if you wanted to know why I had strong reasons to believe that she was not what she claimed to be, why I tried to verify what I tried to verify the way I tried to verify it, then, when I have my arguments in order, I will pass that on to you. However, you may be satisfied by what I have posted so far.

Kristen and Allyson: Thank you. And, I kinda love you. :-)

MleF

Malista says:
(Sat May 5 23:38:42 2001 209.179.193.156): slayerdaddy -- Actually, I know that history. I don't scroll as often as I'd like (I don't know why my life decided to get busy again, but there it is), but I seem to run into the whole Bronze Flame thing quite often when I do. I've never claimed my timing is of the best. <G> And I stand by my comments -- people are gonna do what people are gonna do, and one person's opinion that things are "tense" does not mean diddly. I've heard people decry the "tension" in the Bronze when all that was happening was a lively debate about the nature of the soul in the Jossverse. My take (and I fully agree it's my personal opinion, and worth exactly what weight anyone cares to assign to it) is that if someone isn't happy with the atmosphere in the Bronze, s/he should either say so straight out or do something active to change it, as Narrator suggests.

As far as the WITT thing tonight -- isn't someone adding her/his own actions participation, even if those actions aren't what the person who started the WITT had in mind? It has been so since I started lurking here early in season 2, anyway. As with any improvisational theater, you have to be prepared to deal with whatever happens once you've started. A group of actor friends used to have improv exercises in their homes. One day one of the exercises took a turn in which the only reasonable action for one of the guys was to jump out the window. So he did. Fortunately the bushes below the second story window broke his fall. He didn't set up the exercise so he would have to do that, but he dealt with wherer the others took it. (And for all that, the other moral of that story is, it's bad improvisational manners to say "No," so yes, folks shouldn't go into another WITT with the intention of kicking it to flinders, either -- On the other other hand, from a viewer's standpoint, if I get to choose between a pithy scene and a sentimental scene, I'll go with pith every time, so I'm torn about tonight. ;->)

slayerdaddy says:
(Sat May 5 23:37:47 2001 209.182.160.193): slayerdaddy wrings out his tattered Burberry

Narrator � Either it's a WITT and you should leave it alone unless someone drags you into it � (who? when?) � or it's part of someone's personal posting and none of any other Bronzer's business unless it's directed at them. Either way, we saw some intolerant behavior in here tonite on top of an already stressful situation and I have to think that was inappropriate.

And on that cheerful note, whup awaits CTD... nite all!

amberlynne says:
(Sat May 5 23:36:28 2001 24.219.170.67): Kristen: I can't wait to see it! Can I safely assume that eventually there will be information provided on how to obtain a copy of it? Autographed by you, of course. ;)

Narrator: Stop using such big words! You are making my head ache! *g*

Allyson: That makes the kind of sense that's not. *g* I think I get it. Sort of. Um, yeah.

'stina: Naw. Business as usual. ;)

Okay, I am off to bed. You kids play nice. Or throw mud. Or beat the crap out of each other. Just, please, stay away from my pretty purple couch. ;)

Narrator says:
(Sat May 5 23:32:47 2001 64.108.199.171): Well, of course, I drop a tag.

slayerdaddy -- I believe that I posted that I thought blowing up someone's WITT was not OK. If not, then let me say that now. BUT it is also not ok to drag folks into a WITT without their permission. To the extent that lighting the Bronze Flame is a WITT (and I am beginning to question that), permission was not sought before hand. (If it makes no sense to ask for permission to light the flame then perhaps it's really not a WITT after all.) Having brought folks into a WITT without their consent, the person starting it cannot, IMO, fairly complain when it gets terminated like that.

Each of us is entitled to express our opinions, including that the place needs to "lighten up." But, as someone said earlier the flame seems to be an inappropriate "passive-aggressive" thing. IMO, it acerbates the problem.

'stina -- Hola. Happy cinco de mayo.

Monique says:
(Sat May 5 23:32:16 2001 165.247.8.38): slayerdaddy: I didn't say that. I said that apparently it's not required that everyone around here always respect everyone else's requests. We can encourage people to follow guidelines, but apparently we can't expect them to always do so. That's what I've learned from some posters.

Narrator says:
(Sat May 5 23:30:21 2001 64.108.199.171): slayerdaddy -- I believe that I posted that I thought blowing up someone's WITT was not OK. If not, then let me say that now. BUT it is also not ok to drag folks into a WITT without their permission. To the extent that lighting the Bronze Flame is a WITT (and I am beginning to question that), permission was not sought before hand. (If it makes no sense to ask for permission to light the flame then perhaps it's really not a WITT after all.) Having brought folks into a WITT without their consent, the person starting it cannot, IMO, fairly complain when it gets terminated like that.

Each of us is entitled to express our opinions, including that the place needs to "lighten up." But, as someone said earlier the flame seems to be an inappropriate "passive-aggressive" thing. IMO, it acerbates the problem.

'stina says:
(Sat May 5 23:30:11 2001 24.176.237.78): hola all

happy cinco de mayo

anything exciting going on?

'stina--who scrolls...

FSM CDMan says:
(Sat May 5 23:29:49 2001 172.148.237.21): OK! I'm a moron! What the heck is a WITT???

--Ron

Sephiroth says:
(Sat May 5 23:29:17 2001 64.108.10.232): so... what you're saying is... wolfguard's really a wolf?

wolfguard says:
(Sat May 5 23:27:46 2001 209.86.148.18): Parthian Glance

slayerdaddy,

INCOMING!!!!!

SPLASH!!!

Uh, let's see. Left ten mils..

CalvinBalloon, For when you want to send only the wettest!

Runaway! Runaway! In a Non-Ty Way!

*poof*

WG

slayerdaddy says:
(Sat May 5 23:27:16 2001 209.182.160.193): Monique � Got it. Someone doesn't like the WITT's I person take part in so their free to interrupt the WITT's of a third party like Irene Adler. Much clearer now.

S says: (Sat May 5 23:24:36 2001 64.108.10.232): Margot - You've got email! =)

Monique says:
(Sat May 5 23:23:07 2001 165.247.8.38): slayerdaddy: *ahem* I dunno. I guess it's actually more accurate to say it's been a highly recommended suggestion. Apparently it's not a rule, because in the past, when people tried to say that something is a rule -- such as not beating the crap out of someone to get a fifth, or not posting for positions, or not posting about "the game" on boards outside of the last one of the day -- they were soundly ignored, and the behavior continued anyway. If people want to ignore requests that behavior be stopped, they shouldn't rise up in dismay when they get the same thing back at 'em.

Sephiroth says:
(Sat May 5 23:21:25 2001 64.108.10.232): *de-lurk*

Irene Adler - You also believe that this can be a very peaceful place? Wow that's weird, I never thought that more than a person at a time could believe that. Well anyways I think that if we try hard anough at it, that this place can only have one inevitable problem (bezoars) and that's it. Nobody needs to be setting the board aflame with Flame wars, nobody needs to overpost just to win an arguement, and certainly nobody needs to resort to turning into a bezoar just to prove a point! Please email me so we can talk off the board.

Do I always talk this much?

*lurk*

Kristen says:
(Sat May 5 23:21:04 2001 66.27.253.160): slayerdaddy About a year or so ago, there was a girl who started posting here on the PB. She claimed that her mother had fallen into a coma and she was trying to care for her baby sister, who was only a few months/weeks old. There was an immediate outpouring of support and offers of assistance to this girl. Over the next few weeks, she would stop by the board frequently and talk about all the things that were going on in her life. Eventually, the stories became more and more fantastic and, yes, more unbelieveable. Many Bronzers began to doubt the validity of her claims. A Bronzer, who had been one of her biggest supporters, finally decided to verify her story. And found it was all just a giant lie. A big hoax contrived to garner sympathy and attention. People felt duped and used. They had trusted her and cared about what was happening to her and none of it was true.

Unfortunately, the internet is filled with this sort of thing. People go into grief forums and post about losing loved ones they never had. Other people pretend to have terminal illnesses in support forums. It's so widespread that they've even coined a term for it now, Munchausen by Internet.

You ask, why? I ask, why not? People in online communities, such as this one, want to trust their fellow posters. Perhaps they shouldn't. But if they do open their hearts and then later feel that their trust has been abused, I can't blame them for being upset and wanting to know the truth. People don't like to be duped. It tends to make them ornery.

Margot says:
(Sat May 5 23:20:29 2001 207.103.144.208): Sephiroth: Scroll on my name, read my earlier post, and it will make sense. Regarding what you said to Slayerdaddy about there being no need to investigate Penlind and not understanding why anyone would (and, StG where you and I differ on whose place it is to do what). . .

If this is indeed a hoax, then it is NOT a harmless prank that isn't hurting anyone. At the very least, it was engaging people in a deep and emotional level with a malicious prankster, IF it was a hoax.

So, those of us who have been around awhile, and have seen people get hurt over stuff like this, and don't want our Bronzer friends to get hurt independently, and not knowing of each other's suspicions tried to verify the few facts we had.

Most of us were actually hoping that we would find our fears were unfounded, that we were being idiotic and small minded, and that this incredible story was the miracle it purported to be.

If our research had proved our suspicions unwarranted, we would not have needed to burden an already stressed family with uncomfortable questions about their veracity. We could have turned our energies to wholeheartedly giving Penlind and her family whatever support they required.

We all know that anyone can pretend to be anything they want in cyberspace. So, when I make the claims about who and what I am, I stand behind them. I offer proof. I understand and am not offended when someone asks for proof, and I sure don't mind if people got to other sources to verify if what I'm saying is the real deal.

And, if I say something in a public forum, then I expect what I say is fair game for challanage or investigation. Penlind said quite a lot of things in a public forum. I, for one, found some of them very questionable. I did what I could to verify my information, to make sure I had my facts straight, before I said anything to anyone. When I couldnt' get the information verified, then I gave some other Bronzers a heads up.

The rest is history.

Margot le Faye

wolfguard says:
(Sat May 5 23:18:51 2001 209.86.148.18): Drive-By

slayerdaddy,

Finished email, thought to check the Bronze. A bit uncouth to offer that interesting topic on Jungian journies and hierarhical caves after I left the board, eh? *g*

And your ...even a bell curve needs a low end to balance. LOL.

Good Night

WG

slayerdaddy says:
(Sat May 5 23:16:31 2001 209.182.160.193): malista � A little bit of historical clarification here: The Bronze Flame was lit here after a particularly nasty multiday crapfest. We don't have constant purifcation rituals around here; IreneAdler checks the Flame when she comes in as a statement of her belief that the Bronze can be a place for peaceful engagement. She occasionally advises that she is ready to conduct another ceremony on occasions when things seem to be getting tense; that's her way of suggestion that folks lighten up and it's her legitimate opinion...

The other thing that concerns me is that tonite, following the actions of anonymous bezoar, we seem to have tossed aside the rule as I understood it that people are supposed to leave each other's WITTs alone if they're not participating. Or is that a rule for only certain Bronzers, while others are exempt?

Allyson says:
(Sat May 5 23:16:04 2001 64.12.104.186): DarkLady: Notice my
restraint. I almost don't
believe that it's me, posting,
which is ironic, sort of...but
I'll hold off on that e, it's
been a long day, and you don't
need the burden of my tortured
soul cluttering your in box *G*

Kristen: Oh, that was YOU?
Damn, you're a fine lookin'
woman.

Amberlynne: I'm not
throwing done for anyone but
Fury. And Minear, in the event
that Kristen is physically
unable to do so, like, she's on a
layover flight in Thailand, or
something. In Monique's
absence, we draw straws to see
who defends Nicholas Brendon's
honor. Joss, however, well,
Kristen would sprout wings
and FLY from Thailand to defend
Joss' honor. We just raise our
eyebrows and accept it, with some
trepidation. It's all very
complex.

Margot: No flame throwers,
it's a hard thing, love, I
support your efforts whole
heartedly.

Bronzers Okay, here's
where I'm at. I received a few
emails on Friday about the group
prayer, asking me to pass word on
to Fury, to "say something."

Yeah, the post from Cairo
really sent me, and I passed word
along about it, resulting in Fury
promising an autographed copy of
a book featuring Slayers of all
races to a little girl who needed
some compassion.

But, when i received requests on
Friday to "get Fury involved" (as
if....kids, i run a website, i
don't KNOW the guy), i wanted ALL
the information I could get
before passing on any info to
ANYONE. Basically, I sent out an
APB to anyone who has had any
off-the-'net interaction with
Penlind. You know, a
phone call, a visit, ANYTHING
that wasn't just written
correspondence. No one replied,
except a few souls who emailed me
to say they were suspicious.

Everything is getting a little
"made-for-TV-movie." Yes, this
is all possible, everyone. And.
There is NOTHING wrong with
keeping your guard up in these
situations. I am glad that
Margot is looking into it.
I think, that given the
circumstances, Penlind
should expect some need for
conformation, we've given enough
of our souls over, already,
unquestioningly, and while she
owes us NOTHING for that, before
we move any further in our
involvement, we should at least
be able to confirm the situation,
if for no other reason, than so
we can help in some way, no
matter what the end result turns
out to be.

I mean, when you boil it down,
most of us are accounted for, in
some way. Polgara has my
house keys and parent's phone
number in case of emergencies,
for crying out loud. Eventually,
all of come clean about who we
really are, ARE clean about who
we are, or don't exist, like
Narrator. *G*

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4paws says:
(Sat May 5 23:12:42 2001 208.10.255.158): Seeing as how I'm about to get hit by a bad storm, I'll make this brief!
ducky, Narrator- hiya! Long time no post! I've just been lurking and posting infrequently till a few weeks ago- I had a family crisis that took literally all my time, and the aftermath took all my emotional strength to deal with..
Margot- I don't mean to fan the fire- all I know is that I have been watching for the posts regarding this family, and holding good thoughts for them.. If we are being fooled, so be it.. but I hope not- and no matter what, it still speaks well of Bronzers as a whole that we give our hearts. I have admittedly not been up to speed, and have no knowledge of the past day's developments- I have been too busy dealing with loss to really read the Board totally.. all rhetoric aside, until it's been proven to me that this is a hoax, I will continue to hold good thoughts.
I seem to be in the midst of serious lightning, so will shut down now..
later
4paws

Sephiroth says:
(Sat May 5 23:11:52 2001 64.108.10.232): Amberlynne - I agree that I should stay out of this, and there's some other things I'd rather not get mixed up in, and all of it together is just too much to stay away from, so I'll be away from it all for a while. I've asked a friend to email me when it's okay to come back, so I just felt like telling you I'm intentionally gone for now. But I might just lurk once here and there so if you need to let me know about something go ahead =)

Hmmm do I sound dillusionary? Not to me, as always =)

amberlynne says:
(Sat May 5 23:09:12 2001 24.219.170.67): Sephiroth: You know what, I would really appreciate it if you stayed out of this. All the problems that we have had with you and a few others that I don't feel like naming have contributed to the fact that we have a hard time trusting people.

ScaryGodmother says:
(Sat May 5 23:06:19 2001 65.24.219.195): ScaryGodmother flies by.

Good evening, or whatever you're currently experiencing, Bronzers!

Amberlynne, don't even tell me that was the Millenium ep with James Marsters!!! I am so bummed. I was caught up in watching E! about a goth club in LA.
ScaryGodmother goes off to scroll and pout.

Malista says:
(Sat May 5 23:05:33 2001 209.179.193.156): Monique -- That was a great affirmation of Bronzers, whatever their stance on this particular issue. I see much care for others here. I always have. It's one of the reasons I never quite leave, no matterhow busy the rest of my life gets. You are very wise.

Narrator -- I agree about the notion that the Bronze needs "cleansing" every time there is agita -- or even strong opinions expressed. This has always been a passionate place, and with much less of the gratuitous flaming and general nastiness of other sites that can also lay claims to being passionate. I don't think we need cleansing, I think we need to deal with the fact that people don't always agree, and sometimes they disagree loudly, and it's part of human interaction. Hauling out the rituals whenever the ritual performer feels things are "too tense" is tantamount to telling people to stop expressing their opinions. I don't appreciate it even though I'm rarely involved in the loud discussions myself. It feels like being slapped in the face, albeit with a cloud of incense rather than a hand.

Margot says:
(Sat May 5 23:04:36 2001 207.103.144.208): StG I hope you know I wasn't trying to upset you again by posting what I did below. I was simply trying to tell people that if they want someone to blame, they can blame me. Good night, my dear.

Sephiroth says:
(Sat May 5 23:03:59 2001 64.108.10.232): slayerdaddy - I too don't know why everyone has to start investigating P. and C. and their family. I mean a story is a story, and whether it's true or not, it'll be true to us and the people who told it to us. I think we all should just trust each other and stop acting like a bunch of paranoid people!

Illinois Cid - Hehe, caffeine, the fixer or falling-asleep. =)

slayerdaddy says:
(Sat May 5 23:01:04 2001 209.182.160.193): There's something here I just don't seem to be getting � why?

What actually required investigating here? Someone came on the board, asked some intelligent questions, brought along a fascinating family, provoked us into acting with charity and compassion, so Bronzers felt obliged to leap into action and get the dirt? To what end? Without hurting anybody? How could it even be imagined that would be the case given the situation that was being "investigated? " What was the justification for this action? What made anybody think they were entitled to undertake it? What would have been the point or the benefit?

Narrator says:
(Sat May 5 23:00:39 2001 64.108.199.171): ducky -- I'm not defending the tearing down of someone's WITT. But I am tired of seeing WITTs used in this manner. But, there are major differences between the Fount of Employment and the other WITTs you mention. First, Leather Jacket does not go around putting people in it without being asked. He doesn't start the WITT; the person looking for a job does. Second, it is not "played" every day and unless asked, he doesn't post about as a rule. So, we can go weeks without it ever being mentioned. Third, the Fount of Employment is not intended to address/criticize/remedy the tone/spirit/mood/atmosphere of the Bronze. If people are having an argument, then they are. Join in or stay out. But this kind of commentary, however well meaning, seems to me to have the effect of insulting and incendiary. If someone thinks the tone/spirit/mood/atmosphere could be improved, then he or she should improve it. Start a topic. Change the subject. Heck, play CalvinBall. Do something, don't just comment upon it.

Illinois Cid says:
(Sat May 5 22:53:17 2001 4.48.137.142): Sephiroth: Sounds like your characters need Caffeine. :) I actually don't live in Illinois anymore. I have gravitated toward the Hellmouth.

Sephiroth says:
(Sat May 5 22:50:38 2001 64.108.10.232): Margot - What are you talking about? (Don't mean to sound rude) And when was I hurt? What chapter and verse do you mean, and of what?

Margot says:
(Sat May 5 22:48:13 2001 207.103.144.208): Sephiroth: I will be happy to give you chapter and verse when I have it in a logical order. So far my outline of information goes for 10 pages. It'll be a while before I have it in shape to send to anyone. And, there are two more resources I wish to check before finalizing things, and that could take a few days.

Sorry you were hurt. I was actually trying to prevent anyone being hurt.

Margot Le Faye

soulless_techwriter says:
(Sat May 5 22:47:08 2001 64.168.95.154): Hi all,

I just thought I'd jump in to say hi.

--mainly a lurker

StGermain says:
(Sat May 5 22:46:34 2001 12.77.80.83): On my way out I will say this:I am the someone that Margot mentions who contacted Penlind and Clancy. Not with accusations or to warn them, but to allow her the opportunity to respond to accusations that I saw as being made behind her back to a group of people she considered friends. I take Margot's word for it that she had the most benign motives in doing this. However, as I've told her earlier, I would've done things much differently. So I did. I told Penlind and Clancy that there were a handful of posters who had doubts whether they were real. I didn't ask Penlind for verafiable information, because I would be offended if a friend asked me to "verify" that I was a 39 year old woman who is unemployed at present and has five dogs and two cats. I wouldn't want to have to provide the name of my vets to verify my animals existance. Penlind's response was what you saw on the board. She did provide me with some extra information, personal stuff, which I didn't need to believe she is a real person. What you believe is up to you. It is not my place to try to convince you either way.

StG

Kristen says:
(Sat May 5 22:45:54 2001 66.27.253.160): Margot I can't say that I have a clear opinion on the current situation. Probably because I haven't been around here enough lately to understand what's going on. But I will say that I have a tremendous amount of respect for you. Especially after reading your last post. So no flames from this corner. ;-)

Amberlynne *snerk* Both ads have been finished and turned in. You're too late, bay-bee.

ducky says:
(Sat May 5 22:43:54 2001 207.54.186.91): running a little behind while making chicken a pot of soup

Narrator Uh...no, I wasn't saying that everyone should embrace everyone else's WITTs. I could probably find eight or ten people that find my "cleaning lady" WITTs annoying, too. I just think it was funny that someone jumped out of an imaginary fount of employment to extinguish an imaginary candle. I would think it was equally funny if someone took an imaginary sledge hammer to my imaginary Bronze Mobile Cleaning Unit. Like Allyson said, one good WITT deserves another, and another imaginary thing can be created ad infinitum. Unless, of course, the creator runs out of imagination. My point being yes, I had a point in here somewhere, I'm sure of it it's just a WITT. I've seen someone jump in or out of the Fount of Employment just about every day around here. I don't believe in the Fount of Employment, but I didn't come in and drain it just because I found it annoying. I've seen a lot of the Cleansing Ritual and Light the Bronze Candle Rituals, too, but I didn't come in and blow out the candles or tear off anyone's robes just because I found it annoying. It's just a WITT that someone else posted for whatever reason. I don't have to embrace it, but I don't have to willfully tear it down, either.

Thoin, Kristen, DarkLady Thanks for the additional info about the dingoes. I may think twice before actually obtaining one as a pet and I will have nightmares about the dents in Thoin's brain.

ducky's pot of chicken soup is demanding her chopping and slicing skills, so ducky Toddles on off for the night.

amberlynne says:
(Sat May 5 22:43:38 2001 24.219.170.67): ....just got to see James Marsters in Millenium on FX....

Margot: All I really care about is if you updated Journeys. heeee! Seriously, I can understand your concern and I don't think there was anything wrong with what you did. I am just sorry that you tried to do it without causing trouble and it came back at you in a bad way.

Monique: Was that supposed to be motivating? *snerk* If you would like to take over, I am afraid I have learned too much from the other rabid writer fans like Allyson and Kristen and I would have to hurt you. ;)

Kristen: I am a quick learner. Now, since you are the one designing the ad, do I send you my picture to put on it or what? I think the $10 I donated should cover that. *g*

Narrator says:
(Sat May 5 22:42:56 2001 64.108.199.171): Monique -- Both

Sephiroth says:
(Sat May 5 22:38:47 2001 64.108.10.232): Illinois Cid - While fighting the other 2 Hojos, I put Haste and Regen on my guys. It doesn't seem to help, because his 'combo' attack poisons me, puts me to sleep, and hurts a lot. And it's all he does! Plus, I don't have anything to prevent the sleeping, only things to cure it which does no good if your party is all dead or asleep! Anyways so you live in ILL? What city?

Illinois Cid says:
(Sat May 5 22:36:27 2001 4.48.137.142): Sephiroth: I wasn't too clear in my last post; I was referring to the first boss of the game. Against Hojo, however, I just remember using basic Cure/Regen and Bahamut Zero. On the other hand, I haven't played the game in several months, so I could be forgetting some of Hojo's nastier tricks.

Sephiroth says:
(Sat May 5 22:33:56 2001 64.108.10.232): Who even started the idea that Penlind and Cairo's stories were fake? I won't believe that for one second! I believe they are real people and their stories they told were true. JMHO.

Ryan says:
(Sat May 5 22:32:34 2001 206.186.100.48): Oops! In my last post I said "This would help fight Faith"--I meant Glory--NOT FAITH! I told you I was tired lol

Thoin says:
(Sat May 5 22:31:41 2001 207.112.165.160): Monique, not a b-to-b magazine, is it? Because I work for something similar to that, though electronics, rather than computers as a whole. Just curious, because my publisher, which also owns Daily Variety, has a lot of books...we're not working for, oh, say, the same publisher, are we?

Ryan says:
(Sat May 5 22:31:29 2001 206.186.100.48): It's 1AM and you guys are picking on my typo!! hehe! :oD Thanks to all of you who answered! :o) I didn't know exactly lol

Here's what needs to be done...They give Faith the electric chair and upon doing so, a new slayer arrives. This would help fight Faith, and what they could try doing was somehow kill and bring back this slayer back to life. This way you have a ton of slayers ready to fight some butt on Glory, and you could even make some of those robots like they did to Buffy just to solely be able to fight really good. A million slayers and a million slayer robots...good idea?! LOL!

Margot says:
(Sat May 5 22:30:22 2001 207.103.144.208): Allyson: I'm with you on the mud thing. I hope no one decides to cleanse this post. But, they are free to burn it to bits.

Monique: Thank you.

As another Margo once said, "Fasten your seatbelts, it's going to be a bumpy ride."

4paws: You want proof? I don't blame you. I may have it, in a few more days.

To those who want to flame someone because Penlind left: Aim your flame-throwers right here. I promise to hold still and not flame back. I have a damned high tolerance for heat.

I am preparing a detailed list of my reasons for believing that this was a hoax, for taking steps to investigate my beliefs, for emailing a small group of Bronzers I've known for a long time with my concerns after I investigated, and asking the Bronzers to keep it to themselves. (I even asked them if they could allay my suspicions.) I will email the list, when it is ready, to anyone who wants it. Unless you all demand I post it here, where everyone can see. I think that would only make an ugly situation worse, but I'll do it, if that's what the Bronze wants.

A few of those I emailed reaffirmed their belief in Penlind. But several came forward with their own reasons for suspicion. In the past 24 hours, I've received tons of email and aim with info about things that don't make sense, add up, or that sound "off" to people whose areas of expertise are different from my own. I did not want to confront Penlind, because, if she's for real, the last thing in the world she needs is to know that people think she isn't. And, ten minutes ago, I learned I'm not even the first Bronzer to quietly investigate things, because they wanted to make sure they had their facts straight before confronting her.

Or, at least, I thought I was being quiet.

Someone I contacted, whom I did not realize had become close to Penlind and her family, decided to approach the family with the info that a few folks had questions, and ask for anything they could tell us that would soothe people's doubts.

Seemingly, this motivated Penlind to leave.

Starting a flame war in the Bronze was one of two things I was trying to prevent. The other thing I was trying to prevent was causing more pain to a family that already had a lot of it. If they were for real.

Too late for that.

The only thing I can do now is present the reasons I had for doing what I did, and leave it to each of you to decide how you feel about it.

Margot le Faye
Who stands behind her actions

BuBBle says:
(Sat May 5 22:29:48 2001 203.59.3.21): banana Ugh. I feel your pain in a major way. I have exams coming up in a few weeks. The teachers are on a 'if you fail your exams, you seriously diminish your chances of graduating. Keep your grades up and study, study, study' kick. *shudder* Studying. Exams. I don't like it. Good luck with yours, I know you'll be fine. :)

~Bec

Monique says:
(Sat May 5 22:28:42 2001 165.247.8.38): Thoin: Thanks. Heh. I didn't know my brain could work that fast. I blame the fiance's influence. And I used to work as a sports copy editor at a relatively big daily; now I copy edit for a computer trade magazine.

Allyson:psssst... Amberlynne says she's the head cheese of the mere fan club, but I've yet to see any proof. *raises an eyebrown in Amberlynne's direction*

Not that I'm trying to say anything. Lazy Cause I'm not. Nope. Not me.

Kristen: *whine* Don't wanna go bed. Wanna stay up. Wanna make more funnies.

"Stop me if you've heard this one..."

Sephiroth says:
(Sat May 5 22:25:56 2001 64.108.10.232): Illinois Cid - Yeah, that might be helpful. Get more exp. before fighting is my suggestion and what I should have done. Anyways I always die at the third form of Hojo, it seems I can't defend against his combo move which is really bad.

Kristen says:
(Sat May 5 22:23:57 2001 66.27.253.160): Allyson Um...I thought I designed the ad? *snerk*

DarkLady I hear they're very tasty when roasted on a spit and covered in Bernaise sauce.

Amberlynne Glad to see I inspire the requisite amount of fear. ;-)

Monique "wakka wakka wakka?" Get thee to bed, Fozzie. You're getting punchy.

Illinois Cid says:
(Sat May 5 22:21:37 2001 4.48.137.142): Sephiroth: Slightly aggravated that it takes so long to hit level 3 limit break in preparation for fighting the first boss. It might be quicker to get Bolt3. Nah.

Thoin says:
(Sat May 5 22:20:38 2001 207.112.165.160): DarkLady, yes! I'd forgotten that phrase! Is that what got him killed? I kind of missed that whole thing somehow and never did get caught up on it. Caught part of ~mere's~ wedding, but not RD's funeral. But I remember him posting that now that you mention it. Silly RD. I wish he'd come around once in awhile. I always liked his posts.

Well, I hate to do it, but I have to get up early tomorrow and do all sorts of annoying things. So I'm headed bedward.

Night all!

Thoin
a/k/a "She Who Knows"
Friendly adversary to the nefarious Old One
Namer of TAPDancing Fools, a subset of the ADC
TAPDancing Fools member #5 (Just call me 'Ginger')
Lurkage Maintenance Supervisor
Dingo Dusting Team Wrangler Extraordinnaire
Maintenance Supervisor of the Bronze Menagerie
Keeper of the Liv-A-Snaps
Owner of a dingo named "Lurker", protector of Fifths and Bronzers
"Momlet" to Slayergrl99
"Momlet" to Irene Adler
"Batty Goddaughter" to Asanti
"Sisterlet" to Algerina
"Sisterlet" to Morella
"Auntlet" to Lady Samantha
"Auntlet" to Dirty Socks
"Auntlet" to Rosebud
"GodMomlet" to TB
Bronze "Plebean" #5, 'cause Joss says we are!
a/k/a "Thong" (to the terminally myopic, anyway!)
NOPs #5
Member #32 of "Hallet is a Hottie" (Hey, they add up to "5"!)
Member #185 of "Fury's Fanatics" (well, there's a "5" in it, at least!)
Member #35 of "DeKnight's Riders" (look ma, ANOTHER "5"!!!)
Owner of the Fabulous Fury Pants!!!

"Oh, please, Uncle John! When's the last time you tore yourself away from ESPN long enough to spill the blood of a she-goat?"
- Harry Doyle, "The Bachelor Party" (Angel)

"Maybe because you're an impotent little Nazi with a bug up his butt the size of an emu?"
- Cordelia Chase "Becoming, Part I" (Buffy)

"I always knew you could do better than a B minus. Now I understand. Your energies were directed in the same places as ours, in fact. It's only our methods that differ. We use the latest in scientific technology and state-of-the-art weaponry and you, if I understand correctly, poke them with a sharp stick."
- Maggie Walsh "A New Man" (Buffy)

"Glamorous LA lifestyle! I get to make the coffee and chain the boss to the bed!"
- Cordelia Chase "Somnambulist" (Angel)

"A vague disclaimer is nobody's friend."
- Willow Rosenberg "The Initiative" (Buffy)

"I'm the Host. Have you met me? I never shut up!"
- The Host "Happy Anniversary" (Angel)

"But you were just soulless, bloodsucking demons. They're lawyers!"
- Cordelia Chase "The Trial" (Angel)

"I am fifth, fear me!"
- Thoin

Monique says:
(Sat May 5 22:17:56 2001 165.247.8.38): Narrator: My essay or did you like the play on words in the comma, sentence thing? *g* Cause I got a million of 'em!

wakka wakka wakka

Amberlynne, FSM CDman, Allyson: Thanks. =)

banana says:
(Sat May 5 22:17:21 2001 63.24.14.11): Calculus is evil. And now I have a headache. I think it's bed time for me.

but first, how about the good old SO list... ;)
SO's to ALL the Famlet and also to: Dru21, morby, Strange One, Sparklez, Skylar, Kaboo, Tim, greengirl, fenric, friend or foe, LovelyPoet, Muffy TVA, OzFan, Amywyn, WillowBBF, Holly, Pyro, Daria TVS, Lone Star Chemist, horizon, valMichael, fruitface, Melinda, Sam Hain, KAM, fizzgig, Arctic Lurker, Xana, Lothos, Bishop, Ras, CharlieS, Haven, Leather Jacket, Malista, gazoo, Closet Buffyholic, Noveaux, psychochica23, mere, Roanna, Lenya, ShearBear, Winter Rain, Aug, Dr. Strangepants, Angle Man, Professional Lurker, Miguel, Southern Girl, Cleio, Ceji, carl, kate, Dark Lady, Erestor, bec, Destructo Girl, Willa, Sparkita, Alex, Marj, Jayne, Asanti, Angelique, Samsara, Kazanjian, NancyE, carlycat, Shelly, Calliope, Cyprus, seraphim, Michael17770, RedThunder, BuffyBrazil, French Guy, DeMoriel, Emerald, AuntieAm, Taster's Choice, TouroGal, EverDawn, Aethelaf, H. Alger, StGermain, Lady Bathory, Sanguineus, Jaxom, Grinn, Sarah W., SlaYeR, marie 101, Psyche, Batra, princesscloud, Lisa, Nyxie, SOLO22, tHE hERETIC, Meridian, IceFire, stormtrooper, CosmicBob, Night Owl, Buff the Magic Slayer, HAwkeye, Chrissy, Chrystal, Mabb, duffy girl, Angela, darkhorse, Karent, Gryphon, DGH, Jubilee, Manx, Loup-Garou, 'stina, SweePer, MMM, Cate, Lady Confessor Tee, Rakshasa, belmont, Not a Normal Girl, Ccool, devil, Luv2bit, AliCat, Matsu T, Mircalla, Arcadia, 4paws, Shalazar, sweick, Little Willow, the Thinker, writergirl, Jocor, Buffy Sheridan, Krow, Mary Beth, CharlieX, Akasha, KrazyKat, Sonrisa, Nyte-eyes, Witchy Woman, kim!, Godeater, Laurence, Kate, Kallie, Moxie, ?, Kyle, Bedlin, ana, Ali, Zorander, ~Amber~, Zeus, fiver, Spade, TB, Allie, Serendipity, loki, DoBoy, floater, *LB*, Beldaran, VT, Lady Sawall, Maverick, Avarice, Jennifer Lynn, Circe, Blackheart, Eiddileg, Rebecca Lynn, Odin, girlfriday, Arymede, Blueronin, Missi, Natalie, Sonja Marie, Candy Kane, Alpy, Kara, CD, Acid Cross, Charity aka Taygeta, Julea, Masquerade, Lil' Tree, Texas Wook, ~ceridwen~, Miz A, Labrynth, Monique, kugelmass, Cherie, oki'LLbyte, Angelphyre, Mysty Mage, thayes, Vaedus, wolfguard, Bruces Mom, JeanieTTF, Robyn TSH, FASTEDDIE, Tiamat, Jewyl, Slayed Soul, Kristen, thySlyayer, Adina, nya, Corvus, Mike-ff, Hollyn, FSM CDMan, Sami, Claddagh, Ang, Vampyr, Clattering, NuPhalanx, SpookyMagoo, Mallory, Eric, Sultress, Shadowslayer, Claris, Baby Cordy, DELiver, Jasmen, ashes, XandersGirl, elusio, Ame, Vanilla Slayer, LJC, menkhare, EviLS I T, Meteor, LilBufBuf, AjO, closeyoureyes, Antipodean, Phoenixflame, BuBBLe, X-Lander, Fifi La Rue, XanderBrazil, Amelia, Safarigirl, Faithgirl, dru, and ALL VIPS including Ty King, TV James, Jeff, Todd, RD, Erika, Jymm, Chris Beck, Marti, Jane, David Fury, Marc, Amber and everyone else I missed.

night all!

banana

Thoin says:
(Sat May 5 22:16:32 2001 207.112.165.160): Thoin bows to Monique...

Monique, oooo...that was MUCH better than mine was gonna be, that she wasn't in the comma, but had moved to the ampersand...do you still copyedit? I'm work for a magazine where I do a little copyediting among my other chores, but not as much as I used to when I worked for newspapers. Where do you work?

Narrator says:
(Sat May 5 22:16:03 2001 64.108.199.171): Monique -- Well said

ducky --I was going to stay of this out, but hey. If Allyson stepped out of the Fount of Employment in every single day (or darn close to it) then I could see people not embracing that. If she acted as if the Fount was a reaction to the "tone" or "spirit" or whatever of the Bronze, I could see people not embracing that. If you think everyone should, well then, we disagree. ::shrug::

DarkLady says:
(Sat May 5 22:14:49 2001 24.4.254.107): Thoin,Kristen belmont was one of the people who was behind the whole protect dingoes movement. Which was never really universal. Personally, I've always sided with RD: "Dingos: the other red meat." even if that was what did him in...

DL
I'm not here, I'm writing. Really.

StGermain says:
(Sat May 5 22:14:32 2001 12.77.80.83): Ryan - Good Lord, have you been in a coma? Or a comma? Faith emerged from the coma two years ago. She's currently serving time for murder.

StG

amberlynne says:
(Sat May 5 22:14:06 2001 24.219.170.67): .....steps away from the Mineener...

Kristen: Just messin' with ya. I would never step to your Tim. I do not have a death wish.

Allyson: Dude, I have a writer! I am just not as proficient as you guys are. READ: LAAAAZY Poor Rebecca would never get a site if I put her in line after -mere-!

Allyson says:
(Sat May 5 22:14:02 2001 64.12.104.186): FSM CD Man: The Reporter
website may have info for people
to order, they should e, now.
They need to order enough for
print. Oh, and, hmmm....keep
your eyes peeled for that way
special fan ad, for those of you
who contributed to GBAE. Yep, I
hear that the designer of that ad
is one hot babe. Or so I'm told.

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Monique says:
(Sat May 5 22:13:49 2001 165.247.8.38): Ryan: *g* No. She broke out of the comma and is currently in the middle of a sentence in prison.

Sorry. That's the copy editor in me.

Kristen says:
(Sat May 5 22:13:35 2001 66.27.253.160): Ryan Actually, she's been moved to the semi-colon. ;-)

Sorry, it was just a funny typo. Yes, she's out of the coma. She's now in prison.

Irene Adler says:
(Sat May 5 22:12:30 2001 63.21.252.188): ducky You are a wise, wise ducky.

Good night.

Irene,

The Flame is ever lit.

Ryan says:
(Sat May 5 22:10:00 2001 206.186.100.48): Heya!! I have a quick question! What ever happened to Faith?! Is she still in the comma? Thanks!

Thoin says:
(Sat May 5 22:09:55 2001 207.112.165.160): Kristen, you're right, they didn't start out as pets. But pets they became. I remember the Dingo Appreciation Socity or the Society for the Preservation of Dingoes or some such thing. And I remember Bronzers with their own flock of dingoes they kept as pets. When I first came to the Bronze I was even more of a yutz than I am now and kept doing everything wrong. At one point I posted that my brain had fallen out of my left ear and rolled away. Another Bronzer kindly returned it to me, but I noted that it had been dented. There was a dingo tooth-mark in it. For some time thereafter, I confronted Bronzers with their own dingoes and had them compare the toothmark in my brain to their dingo's teeth. No culprit, alas, was ever found. Which is why I have mixed emotions toward the dear, darling demented dingoes dancing in the corner. They're usefull little buggers, but I don't entirely trust them. But believe me, at one time they WERE kept as pets. The practice died out, however and now they're all just homeless dancing dingoes. Except for Lurker here...pats her dingoes head again, which confuses it, as it's not used to all this attention in one night...

Sephiroth says:
(Sat May 5 22:08:54 2001 64.108.10.232): Slightly agrivated that Hojo's 3rd Jenova-like form just killed me, but I have a new strategy. Just stopped by to wish everyone a happy Sunday tomorrow! And to tell you that I'm probably going to be here all night.

Allyson says:
(Sat May 5 22:08:51 2001 64.12.104.186): Monique: Rocking post,
well said.

slayerdaddy: I'd respond,
but I'm chill like that.

Amberlynne: Get your own
writer. Actually, WHERE is the
love for Rebecca? Huh? Huh?
WHERE is the Rebecca fan club?
C'mon people, get up off your
rumps and start coding that site.

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DarkLady says:
(Sat May 5 22:08:11 2001 24.4.254.107): genrefan Sorry, I have to go find an open store to buy People now. *g* I remember watching "The English Patient" and thinking who the hell would dump Collin for whiny depressed Ralph Fiennes? (um that's when I wasn't retching at what an awful adaptation EP was...)

Allyson thanks. e me or AIM if you need to talk. (there's a couple people I wouldn't mind burning at the stake but they're not here tonight. *g*)

DL
you go to my head
and you linger like a haunting refrain
and I find you spinning round in my brain
like the bubbles in the glass of champagne..."

callistamorgan says:
(Sat May 5 22:04:56 2001 198.81.16.188): thanks carl for telling me about the Sarah site.

ps to all sc listeners, i got my own spike with the thrusted hips :)

ducky says:
(Sat May 5 22:04:48 2001 207.54.186.91): Allyson The way I figure it, one person's WITT is another person's....thing that really annoys them. (Okay, I couldn't think of a really good word there) Actually, I thought it was kind of funny that you stepped out of the imaginary Fount of Employment to douse out the imaginary Candle. Then again, I also find my many imaginary cleaning devices funny. Anyway, I rarely rant, and don't like much to be confrontational. What I was trying to say is that, while I don't believe it was some kind of hoax, even if it was, it was good to know that people participated in something positive for someone else. I didn't see anyone cleansing your posts. I thought only Apollo could do that?

Irene Adler Good thing, cause my tape measure is broken, so the fittings would have gone badly.

Thoin Well, you know, I have these two little birdies. If I get a dingo, I wouldn't want to have to say Dingoes Ate My Birdies. Then again, knowing Fabio and Nutbird, they would probably teach my dingo to make long distance telephone calls....

4paws Evening. How are you tonight?

FSM CDMan says:
(Sat May 5 22:04:24 2001 172.167.9.165): pops in his CD of "The Very Best of Angel & Friends" to cheer up the masses

Carl: I will do my best to get you a copy of the Reporter next week...

Monique: Thank you for your last post.

--Ron

Kristen says:
(Sat May 5 22:00:53 2001 66.27.253.160): Thoin, ducky Actually no, dingoes didn't start out as pets. They were those annoying, pesky creatures who hung around the board and ate large chunks of posts. Sometimes they noshed on entire posts. At some point, some Bronzers decided the dingoes were poor, misunderstood creatures and decided to try and rehabilitate them...or something.

Amberlynne Step away from the Mineener. ;-)

Sarah's carl says:
(Sat May 5 22:00:09 2001 209.240.221.62): callistamorgan, be sure to visit www.SMGfan.com Lawless has had a great site for Sarah since 1996.

Thoin, I am so proud to have the man now in office rather than the man who lost.

Ergoshakes says:
(Sat May 5 21:59:45 2001 64.12.105.43): genrefan colin's one the fifty most beautiful people - I have to get that magazine. I also fell in love with him in P&P - let's just say I can quote almost the entire movie! ok so have you seen bridget jones? does anyone know what song is playing in the background during the whole I like you just the way you are scene?? I can't find it anywhere!

thanks,
Ergoshakes

Allyson says:
(Sat May 5 21:57:57 2001 64.12.104.186): DarkLady Throwing an
actual Bronzer into the fire
would be stepping over the line,
don't believe I have crossed any
in my ire. But, as I respet your
post, I will concede and "chill."

Irene Adler: Do as you
will, scrub away, but steer clear
of my posts. I like 'em in all
their filth.

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amberlynne says:
(Sat May 5 21:55:17 2001 24.219.170.67): Monique: Recaps, FAQ's, websites AND Forums? What don't you do? *g* Well said. ;)

THE Kristen: So now that the flamethrower is occupied, would this be a good time for me to try to become Tim's #1 fan? giggles and ducks behind a flame proof chair

Monique says:
(Sat May 5 21:52:53 2001 165.247.8.38): OK. For those of you just joining us.

To recap, no one came to the Bronze in a great cloud of thunder and doom, declaring that this was all a hoax.

But yes, some people have wondered.

Some people have whispered to each other privately that there were inconsistincies in the posts. But no one persecuted them here. Because as far as I'm aware, there is no definitive proof, no smoking gun. And if Penlind is telling the truth, no one wanted to put her through the ensuing Bronze drama unnecessarily.

There are people who respond with unwavering support and trust when confronted with issues like these. To be honest, I wish I was one of those people. I really do.

There are others who have dealt with hoaxes before and are more hesitant to put their faith in people. Who dig into things before believing what they're told on blind faith. No one's saying any Bronzers who believe in Penlind and the moments of silence have done wrong. But you know what? The people who have done some doublechecking, who don't want to see their friends played, aren't in the wrong either. Both sides are reacting out of care and concern for their friends.

So IN MY OPINION, and who knows what that's worth, there is no reason to be disgusted. No one is wrong. Because everyone I've seen and heard of who've responded to this has reacted with concern on some level for someone.

Ben says:
(Sat May 5 21:51:26 2001 203.10.1.28): hi this is ben your buffy site is cool my friend chris gave it to me please write back love benxox

slayerdaddy says:
(Sat May 5 21:50:13 2001 209.182.160.193): Allyson � I have always considered the Flames and the cleansings as the equivalent of punctuation or taking a deep breath after an argument. They give a point where you can refocus and move on, and they're more polite than Comet cleanser and wire brushes...

Also, the first person, anonymous, who stomped in here tonite and made a point of knocking over the candle was going out of their way to add to the tension around here tonite. No need to carry on their ignoble tradition...

genrefan says:
(Sat May 5 21:49:31 2001 144.74.26.246): DarkLady:

I just fell in love with Colin Firth in Pride and Prejudice ( along with millions of other women, I'm sure). He's in this weeks People magazine as one of the 50 Most Beatiful People in the world. The wet clothes scene in P and P is great!

callistamorgan says:
(Sat May 5 21:49:00 2001 198.81.16.188): yes, it is callista from the succubus club. After one night on the radio, i think my career in broadcast journalism is over.

thank you everyone for welcoming me with open arms.

i'm a big christian kane fan and i have watched the show religiously since day one... actually i have been a fan of SMG since her AMC days. (anyone who was listening wed. night knows that) :)

Kristen says:
(Sat May 5 21:48:49 2001 66.27.253.160): slayerdaddy I vote we send the bill to Kellner.

Claris Thank you! I'd hate to be rocket-less. ;-)

Ryan says:
(Sat May 5 21:48:08 2001 206.186.100.48): Tonight, I saw the "Tough Love" episode and I was extremely impressed by the special effects that were put into Willow--the eyes were wicked!!! After finished watching this show I was so mad that they haven't found a way to get Glory yet! Hopefully they'll do it soon--I can't wait this long to see her gone! LOL!

slayerdaddy says:
(Sat May 5 21:45:30 2001 209.182.160.193): slayerdaddy picks up a scrap of wood from the nuked podium and reads the label, "Joel Schumacher Rentals" Man, I hope someone put this deposit on their Visa...

Allyson � Sorry, no tears tonite... we believe what we believe, we know what we know, and that's the humour of it, as Pistol would have it...

Irene Adler � Sorry, my bad, I addressed my answer to you to wolfguard: once again, union rules insist there are no caveman types above the line in Hollywood, so Joss must be doing it on purpose...

StGermain says:
(Sat May 5 21:44:13 2001 12.77.80.83): Poop

Irene Adler -I read that as "this place needs serious cleaning before any kind of a punctuation can go on.

StG

Ryan says:
(Sat May 5 21:44:00 2001 206.186.100.48): Narrator - SUPER! Thanks! :o)

DarkLady says:
(Sat May 5 21:43:55 2001 24.4.254.107): Gosh d'you know how long it's been since I posted on a Saturday at all?

Megdalen! ack, I went and ate dinner. Waltham! *sniff* me old stompin grounds. *g* I have in fact seen Bridget Jones' Diary and I read the book. Was it you who told me she reminded you of me? Cause there were a couple comments in the book that did in fact sound like something I would say. Of course the whole parents/boyfriends/drinking/smoking/having sex part of the book was not like me. And yes, please, I'd like a Mark Darcy of my very own. Have you seen the version of "Pride and Prejudice" with CF? He gets all wet and shirt hanging open. wheee! *hugs*

baaaaaannnnnnnaaaannnnnnaaaaaaa!

Allyson chill. If you're having that bad a day I'm sorry, but you've gone over the line.

hoax or not? Does it really matter? We all pitched in and did a good thing this past week. If a similar situation came up, I hope we'd do the same. A couple notable exceptions aside, we're good people and yeah even the ones I disagree with are too, even if they're so foolish as to not see the wisdom of my opinion.

DL
I will however say if anyone starts singing "Kum-bay-yah" or "We Are The World" I'm gonna have to borrow the rocket launcher...

StGermain says:
(Sat May 5 21:43:04 2001 12.77.80.83): Irene Adler punctuation can go on.

LOL!

StG

Narrator says:
(Sat May 5 21:43:04 2001 64.108.199.171): Ryan -- Fox owns the show. It licensed it to the WB to show in the US and now will license UPN to do so. Fox has separate deals for showing it in non-US countries. So, it being on UPN has no impact on it being on YTV. (Except that the show is apparently going to have more $$, so maybe the special effects will be better. Hey, I can hope.)

4paws -- Howdy. Nice to see you again.

Irene Adler says:
(Sat May 5 21:42:50 2001 63.21.252.188): ducky postscript: robe for serious rituals, a simple stole for day-to-day ministering. No fittings necessary.

Allyson says:
(Sat May 5 21:41:56 2001 64.12.104.186): ducky One good WITT
deserves another, my friend. No
matter what we do to the candle,
they'll keep pulling more out of
their collective, well, you know.

It's no disrespect to
Thoin, or Irene the
non-confronatational Adler,
really, it just annoys me to no
end when EVERY TIME there is a
debate in the Bronze, there's
some kind of WITT ceremony to
clean the place up, like
debating, arguing, or venting is
something dirty to be
cleansed. And since when do we
have a candle, or a cleansing
ritual? You know what?
LJ doesn't walk up to the
unemployed and throw them in the
Fount, against their will for
crying out loud. DONT CLEANSE MY
POSTS. THAT is disrespectful.

Yeah, some crappy things are
going down in the Bronze. What
ever is the resolution, Bronzers
acted with love and compassion,
giving another human being the
benefit of the doubt. We don't
know what is happening. Could be
a lonely person, could be real,
could be MP, we don't know. Or,
as slayerdaddy pointed
out, a cruel experiment. No
matter what, Bronzers re-acted
with an amazing amount of heart.
We don't need to light freakin
WITT candles for that. We never
have before.

These Priestess posts about
cleansing rituals and candle
lighting are the ultimate passive
aggressive way of saying, "i
don't like what you said, so, I'm
going to not post that to you,
and instead, I'm going to light a
WITT candle in holier-than-thou
fashion. It ticks me off. It's
annoying when people can dish out
a WITT, but can't take one.
Sheesh.

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Thoin says:
(Sat May 5 21:41:13 2001 207.112.165.160): Ducky, once upon a long ago, when the Bronze was first started, dingoes were the cherished pets of Bronzers. But over time, they were...well...abandoned. They live here in the Bronze now, subsisting on scraps and loose tags and what Liv-A-Snaps I toss 'em on my way out the door. They tend to mill about over in that corner...see all the dancing dingoes over there? Just find one that looks right to you, name it and take it with you. That's how I got ol' Lurker here...pats the head of the faithful, though very quiet, dingo...I don't let him go out and bite anyone much. He's for defending the Bronze and Bronzers, but I haven't seen a case where his fangs would do better than our tried-and-true methods, so he just kind of hangs out with me and plays with the Fifths (he even gives them rides on his back. Pretty nice for a dingo...they have SUCH a bad rep where small, young creatures are concerned.)

Find yourself a dingo and see what fun they can be!

jessie says:
(Sat May 5 21:39:54 2001 61.12.216.123): I think buffy and her group rules and that angel and spike are the hottest guys on the show.

Irene Adler says:
(Sat May 5 21:39:27 2001 63.21.252.188): ducky Thanks for the robe, but this place needs serious cleaning before any kind of a purification can go on.

But we may need one before long.

For now, I'm hoping that not responding to this provocation will cool things down.

What a weird night!

ducky says:
(Sat May 5 21:37:11 2001 207.54.186.91): ducky returns to her regularly scheduled silliness......

slayerdaddy I never thought of you as a clown. Just because you like to wear funny shoes and that red nose and wig and stuff? On momentary serious note--thank you, and I agree about 106% with what you said:)

Thoin Wow, them dingoes can move, can't they? I'm gonna have to get me some of those for my house....

Irene I agree with you about the positive energy. But if you are the parish elder, does this mean I have to sew you a little black jacket with a white collar? The robe was kinda easy, but there would have to be fittings and stuff for a jacket....

Reyna Happy little wave--How are you?

Claris Rocket launcher? Cool! I need one of those, too. I got this annoying neighbor.....Could you point it at his house? And congrats on the essay contest!

Happy Birthday to my youngest birdie, Nutbird!

banana says:
(Sat May 5 21:36:20 2001 63.24.14.11): night Claris and her rocket launcher.

BuBBle~ I've been better. I'm stressing over finals right now. lol. The wink was just for fun, nothing else. and I watched Cinderella yesterday...

DeAn:) hey! yes, I did get my SO and siggy too. umbris who ROCKS! with his Bronze Archives helped me out. All is well again. *s*

faking my way~ I love Cordy and Angel doing the bro/sis thing! I'm not a a fan of the C/A as a couple, but there are some ppl who are into that...

banana

Claris says:
(Sat May 5 21:35:32 2001 172.139.218.181): Thoin : well, normally, I go for more, but like I said - just finished my last round of finals. Fire bad, tree pretty. Plus, I've got all this shiny evil waiting for the 100th. That took a bit of time. *grin* Next round, I'll try to think up sompin' special. Just for you.

Gone now.

4paws says:
(Sat May 5 21:35:01 2001 208.10.255.30): Oh great... storms outside, AND in the Bronze..
I at this moment have no solid reason to doubt Penlind, Cairo et als posts, and until someone can prove beyond a reasonable doubt that this has all been some hoax, why not shut the hell up and quit ruining this place and disparaging those who feel there is a special cameraderie here?
I'm disgusted.
4p

slayerdaddy says:
(Sat May 5 21:33:37 2001 209.182.160.193): monique � It is a privacy thing, I'm afraid. If it becomes possible for me to name names I will. And if it turns out I've been conned, I've been conned. But I don't think this is the case.

Ryan says:
(Sat May 5 21:32:03 2001 206.186.100.48): Narrator - I live in Canada so I am not completely sure I have UPN. I always watched Buffy on Canada's YTV. Do you think they would still have the show even though Buffy is just moving from the WB to UPN?

Thoin says:
(Sat May 5 21:31:55 2001 207.112.165.160): Sigh...rampant, uninventive destruction never does seem to lose it's glamour for some...

But we who would create, rather than tear down, know that there is a reason that the Chinese character for "crisis" is the same as that for "opportunity". Anything can be rebuilt...and improved in the building. That's the beauty of creation. Destruction tends to be the same old thing, over and over, however. It gets old after awhile...

Monique says:
(Sat May 5 21:31:21 2001 165.247.8.38): Ryan: Visit the Moving to UPN FAQ if you'd like to know more. And you're welcome. =)

Claris says:
(Sat May 5 21:31:17 2001 172.139.218.181): running back in to say :

Kristen : Oh, I put it back. I just edited out that part of the WITT because I didn't want to end up having the director's cut of Titanic for a post. It's home, not to worry.

Narrator says:
(Sat May 5 21:30:26 2001 64.108.199.171): Ryan -- Apparently the Bronze is all ablaze and 'xplody and you want your question answered? Well, here goes. "Buffy" is leaving theWB after this season. It will go the UPN, with new episodes in the fall. If you are out of the US, this changes your life not at all. If you are in the US, check and be sure that you have a UPN station in your area.

Ryan says:
(Sat May 5 21:29:27 2001 206.186.100.48): Monique - THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR LETTING ME KNOW!! :o) I am so excited now because I was dreading on seeing the worse be that the show was coming to a close! Buffy is the only show I tune into each week really so I would hate to see it stop! Now I just gotta make sure I have UPN! LOL! :o) Thanks, Monique!

Monique says:
(Sat May 5 21:27:38 2001 165.247.8.38): Ryan: The show is moving to UPN in the fall.

slayerdaddy: Perhaps you'd consider sharing how you are so sure, since others aren't and have noticed inconsistincies? Maybe it would help settle all this? If you'd rather not due to privacy concerns, I respect that. But if there's definitive proof, it could help nip this issue in the bud rather than letting it fester.

Claris says:
(Sat May 5 21:27:25 2001 172.139.218.181): And on that destructive note, I'm going to get some sleep. 'Night Bronzers!

Kristen says:
(Sat May 5 21:27:21 2001 66.27.253.160): Claris Just remember that rocket launcher has a home when you're through...you never know when I'm gonna need it again. ;-)

Ryan says:
(Sat May 5 21:24:34 2001 206.186.100.48): Hi again!! Could somebody pleeeeeeease help me out by answering my questions I have posted below?? I am really eager to know what's going on--thanks!! :o)

amberlynne says:
(Sat May 5 21:23:18 2001 24.219.170.67): Reyna:!!!!!!!!!!!!!! *LOL*

Claris says:
(Sat May 5 21:22:20 2001 172.139.218.181): Allyson : Honey, I just got done finals. The only activity that I could perform right now that might be construed as constructive involves a tall building, and a high-powered rifle with a laser scope. *smicker* Hi Grifter, how are ya?

As for a musical request - "Break Stuff", by Limp Bizkit would be fitting, I should think.

Speaking of which....

Ducky : good idea. Thanks. I don't think Allyson will mind if I handle this one.

Nudging a hidden panel in the floorboards, Claris opens the revealed compartment & pulls out the rocket launcher borrowed from the Refugee camp. Taking aim, she squeezes the trigger, and sends the flaming projectile out across the Bronze, straight for the Debate Podium. Getting its target dead on, the missile detonates, sending shards of wood everywhere.

Slightly satisfied, Claris sits down next to Allyson,taking the offered stick and eating the marshmellow on it.

"Well," Claris remarked, "that gives us at least 10 minutes of peace until they build a new one."

genrefan says:
(Sat May 5 21:20:29 2001 144.74.26.246): slayerdaddy:

I would love to respond to your proposed topic, as soon as I can figure out what it means (" Fire bad. Tree pretty.")

faking my way:

The suspense is exquisitely painful, isn't it? Spoilers tend to make me worry too much, but I can't help myself. I'm a spoiler slut and I can't change.

BuBBle says:
(Sat May 5 21:19:23 2001 203.59.3.21): banana I'm great! How are you? What was the wink for?

Mialicious! LOL. It's a rainy Sunday and I have nothing else to do umm... ignoring the English assignment sitting next to me here... so I've decided to watchi Disney. Aladdin's nearly finished, then I'm moving onto The Lion King. You read my mind. *g*

~Bec

slayerdaddy says:
(Sat May 5 21:18:19 2001 209.182.160.193): Ducky � Okay... most of you know me as a clown but I don't think any of you know me as malicious, so I'm going to ask you to take it on faith that I've checked what I can check and talked to whom I can talk to and as far as I'm concerned right now the situation is authentic.

Frankly, I'm proud of the way the Bronze as a whole has acted over this; it was an experience I wouldn't have wanted to miss even at its most intense � which I remind everyone is still only a fraction of what Penlind and her family must be feeling at this time � and I would do it again.

The absolute worst case scenario anyone can envision here is that we as a group behaved well while an individual behaved badly. I'll take that. If it turns out to be a fraud, or a bizarre class project � and I do not believe it will � that doesn't change. Just spell my name right in the thesis.

And if anyone wants to be bitter, or cynical, or sarcastic about it, that's their personal call. Every bell curve needs a low end to balance the graph. Now on with the Bronze,

Reyna says:
(Sat May 5 21:17:33 2001 216.191.162.34): �..with a mouthful of Amberlynne�s Texas Honey�

slayerdaddy

Hardly spoiler stuff, but�..
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One difference I see is that in the old days the hero started out as an ordinary human and gained godhood or supernatural abilities as he went along. Buffy has wanted to lose the supernatural stuff and be ordinary, Angel is trying to become human, and Spike has lost power and has become more human-like. I have no idea what this means.
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Ducky - Hiya!

Thoin says:
(Sat May 5 21:17:19 2001 207.112.165.160): Slayerdaddy, that's as may be, but since Shrub got Supreme Courted into office, my political views have been of the bleakest since Ronbo was the only Prez we had. I remain skeptical in this arena, always. I'll believe it when I see it.

Ducky, of course! I'll marshel the little furballs right now, in fact. Oh, dingoes! Dear, darling, demented dingooooos! C'mere you little hairbags! Thoin begins lashing brooms to dancing dingo tails, then scatters a large box of Liv-A-Snaps around the far corners of the Lurkage before turning the horde of dingoes loose within to scamper and snarf and clean as best they can...

There you go! It should be all clean in a jiffy!

Irene Adler, 's o.k. {{{HUGGLES}}} It's just a WEIRD night, tonight.

Irene Adler says:
(Sat May 5 21:16:55 2001 63.21.252.188): slayerdaddy I will have my pathetic part ready tomorrow. I will do it BEFORE my homework.

ducky I respect that you are not comfortable with the role I have chosen for myself. And I don't wish to be considered the "high priestess" of anything--just a local parish elder for those who would have me.

But I believe in the Spirit of the Bronze, and I have seen it work. I believe that Penlind is 100% real. And I believe that I have never seen more positive energy than I witnessed yesterday.

the Flame is how I choose to describe this energy, and I would protect it. I don't speak for anybody. Or everybody.

tessa says:
(Sat May 5 21:12:52 2001 198.92.66.182): Mia: I'll be in touch. Glad your better and that you were here tonight. Been a long day so i'm going beddy-bye. take care dear one.

tessa

Sarah's carl says:
(Sat May 5 21:10:31 2001 209.240.221.62): Thank you Narrator.

genrefan, The poll is not necessarily a joke. It was that one year. As to People, Sarah does not really get much attention. Four years of Buffy and her engagement gives her a square on the cover and one page story and a full page photo. Sarah does get attention in Entertainment Weekly.

slayerdaddy says:
(Sat May 5 21:09:17 2001 209.182.160.193): algerina � Of course.

Irene Adler "The Project" continues, BTW... How ya doin'?

Thoin � The shrub just watched his Congressional majority dry up and blow away in the next election after that fetus resolution; getting booted off a human rights commission that also seats Cuba, China and the flipping Sudan is pretty much a Groucho joke ("I wouldn't join any club that would have me as a member"); corporate oligarchs have been with us always but see item one above, and we are still a pluralistic society because while all those suited dirtbags may hold themselves above us they still haven't got us admitting they deserve it...

wolfguard � According to Hollywood union agreements, there are no cavemen above-the-line... therefore the benefit of the doubt says he's doing it on purpose...

faking my way says:
(Sat May 5 21:08:21 2001 24.23.155.225): That's it. My friend is now a Cordy and Angel shipper and I'm going to commit suicide. She put sick mental images in my head. I see them with a brotherly/sisterly love. Ah! Am I all who see it this way?

ducky says:
(Sat May 5 21:06:24 2001 207.54.186.91): ducky enters the Bronze after much scrollage. She turns on the Bronze Mobile Cleaning Unit for the sole purpose of annoying Allyson, who seems to want to take her crappy mood out on everyone in the Bronze tonight. ducky then asks Thoin for a loan of the dingoes, for a little cleaning in the lurkage. Not a fan of the whole High Priestess scenario, but tonight is a very different night, and thus, ducky offers Irene Adler a fresh robe in case she feels the need to perform any cleansing rituals. She then steps up to a specially built podium

I don't know if Penlind, Cairo and Djoser are "real" people any more than the rest of you. All I know is, I read their posts, was moved by them, and felt compelled to act. I told Cairo a couple of jokes that would be acceptable for a ten-year old child, hoping to amuse her in what seemed to be a serious and sad situation. I offered my prayers up for the family, as many other Bronzers did. What I am thinking is, does it matter so much if they were "real" or not? They made a lot of people stop thinking about their own personal, petty, trifling problems for a few minutes and instead show concern and compassion for a sick two year old child and a family that was afraid that they might lose him. As far as this ducky is concerned, the time was well spent. If it was a hoax, I like to think that whatever deity you believe in is smart enough to know and direct the energy to someone that needs it. So, either way, it was a win/win scenario for someone.

Okay, anyone else want to take a turn at the podium before Allyson tries to light it afire?

Ryan says:
(Sat May 5 21:04:33 2001 206.186.100.48): Good evening everybody! I just read a message from the WB that Buffy wasn't going to be back for another season?? What is this about?! Is the Buffy show stopping for good, or is it just moving to another network? I couldn't really understand their statement all too well. Any info you can provide would be super--thanks! :o)

Cashmere says:
(Sat May 5 21:04:06 2001 206.230.122.51): *popping in one last time for the night*

Hey Amberlynne, tiggy, Thoin, genrefan, et. al!

*hoping for a Sunday full of spoilery goodness when I get back from my in-laws*

Nighty night!

*poof*

ghost of DeAn:) says:
(Sat May 5 21:02:47 2001 195.92.198.73): bananaanananana oh hi hi hi hi hi hi hi. *waves* did you ever find your SO list? hope you are of the good.

-GoD
fan of Dunlin the great, BuBBle the aussie godess and claris the amazing evil apprentise, who will one day enquire about the song *weg*

GONE

Mia says:
(Sat May 5 21:01:30 2001 152.163.213.63): tessa Thank you! I am doing much of the better! :) Thanks for listening to me that night. I was quite hopeless. She WON!! That is wonderful!!! I am glad my vibes worked!! I am so proud of her. I remember the first time I won and went to regionals. I was SO excited! I won third, but still I was happy!! I will wish her continued success! Great! I am sure Andy would love to have a picture! That is great! Thank you for participating. Some of the stuff is coming to the PO box now. So I am really getting excited!! I will await your email!

tiggy It was my pleasure! When can I do to see these? lol

~Mia
*who is saying goodnight, I will scroll the board tomorrow*

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Allyson says:
(Sat May 5 21:01:27 2001 64.12.104.186): Spike's Girl I'll take
that into consideration while i
roast marshmallows on this flame
engulfed couch and laugh at the
people in the corner that are
staring at an empty votive and
crying.

Thoin How do you like your
marshmallows? Extra flamey?

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FSM CDMan says:
(Sat May 5 21:00:31 2001 172.167.9.165): Allyson: What did you mean by your last post? Are you OK?

--Ron

Buffydownunder says:
(Sat May 5 20:59:38 2001 203.164.3.167): Only TWO WEEKS until James is here in Australia.. .wEEEE HAWwwwwww

tessa says:
(Sat May 5 20:58:49 2001 198.92.66.182): slayerdaddy: could you be more specific in your question? The hero's journey generally transcended the cultures they came from. They, more or less, are/were trans-cultural and trans-temporal. The universal archetype if you will. What are you looking for?

4W says: (Sat May 5 20:58:46 2001 172.153.163.11): Since when did </sarcasm> tags disappear in a post?

Blah.

4W
Confused. Tired. Missing Necromancer & DELiver terribly.

amberlynne says:
(Sat May 5 20:58:09 2001 24.219.170.67): tiggy: Tired from a day of shopping but okay. And you?

Narrator: Um, I was shopping and after that I was getting dinner. Was I needed?

banana: Howdy!

Narrator says:
(Sat May 5 20:57:29 2001 64.108.199.171): Werewolf, Where wolf? -- Well, of course the place ain't what it used to be. You haven't been around. Nice to see you again.

Sarah's carl -- Were you asking about SNL? That was, I think, Julia Stiles (sp?) playing Jenna Bush.

pumpkin says:
(Sat May 5 20:56:42 2001 38.30.242.139): StG Hey. I am a gourd. A gourdish vegetable. A banana is a fruit. Two completely different things. *g*

Werewolf, Where wolf? says:
(Sat May 5 20:56:21 2001 172.153.163.11): Re: The WB/UPN mess

If UPN signs Buffy, Angel, and Roswell, there will hardly be any time left for Wrestling. Shame.

4W
poof.

W-SKy says:
(Sat May 5 20:56:14 2001 204.50.249.133): Well, I must be off. Sleep awaits me...

Thoin: This probably doesn't really help, but I hope things get better and your outlook becomes a little more cheery. {hugs}

G'night all!

W-SKy

Irene Adler says:
(Sat May 5 20:55:54 2001 63.21.252.188): slayerdaddy Are you assuming that Joss is consciously following the hero's journey or acting on his subconscious genetic wiring, passed down from caveman narrative?

StGermain says:
(Sat May 5 20:55:28 2001 12.77.80.83): Hi, Baanaaaanaaa! - Hi, Pumpkin!! - I notice a trend here....

StG

Thoin says:
(Sat May 5 20:54:06 2001 207.112.165.160): Slayerdaddy, um...o.k., so I'm a tad bitter, but we have a shrub in the White House, we're getting booted off the Human Rights Commission for being blithering idiots, among other issues and a kind of corporate oligarchy is in real control of our lives and our government at this point, to the extent of helping to draft many of the laws we are currently governed by.

Since WHEN are we a pluralistic society??? I haven't noticed it lately, in any case.

Sigh.

genrefan says:
(Sat May 5 20:53:13 2001 144.74.26.246): Sarah's carl:

Well, I had hoped that James would make it into the magazine if he won the poll. Since I've only been online this year, I wasn't aware of the poll's status as a joke.
I don't think that they explained ( this year) until after the fact that the online poll and the magazine article would be completely separate and unrelated.

paksenarrion:

Grrrrrr indeed. I was taken in too. It would be nice if winning the poll would get James M. noticed by the magazine at least. There was a great article in Entertainment Weekly during this past year featuring both James Marsters and Anthony Stewart Head. It would be nice to see something like that in People. SMG sure gets plenty of coverage. I see her picture everywhere.

pumpkin says:
(Sat May 5 20:53:09 2001 38.30.242.139): Jocklarry Interesting thoughts...I had thought something similar at one point, but General discussion of season to date spoilers below...
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I didn't ever draw it all back to the twin Xander episode from this season. That's actually kind of interesting. We must accept the bad in ourselves to take advantage of the good...which would be especially significant for Buffy, with the Dracula conversation you mentioned. All very interesting. I'm really looking forward to the end of this season...I'm completely unspoiled, so don't post any spoilers to me if you know of them, but I think I'll keep this topic in mind and revisit it once the season has concluded.
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Actually, not really spoilerish discussion of season 5 to date above

StGermain Hihi!!

Was that a KAT in the dark appearance I saw? Hey!

Hmm. Never mind.

slayerdaddy says:
(Sat May 5 20:51:24 2001 209.182.160.193): Thoin, IreneAdler, StG � You have e.

wolfguard � Hokay, let's get topic-y...

THINGS PARTAKING OF THE SPOIL

LA

DEE

DA

Assuming that Joss is working out a classic hero/ine's journey in Buffy, what allowances do you think he will make/have to make/oughta make for the fact that we now live in a pluralistic society rather than the formally heirarchical cultures in which these myths were formulated for narrative?

DA

DEE

LA

END THINGS PARTAKING OF THE SPOIL

tiggy3323 says:
(Sat May 5 20:50:24 2001 65.8.174.91): paks
sorry we didn't get to chat more. i'm not feeling especially chatty. thanks for sharing CK and steve with me. it is awfully kind. sweet CK dreams for you my dear. :)

Mia
once again thanks. the pic is now uploaded to IFK. you so rock. MWAH!

{{{hugs}}} to all present as i am feeling very emotional tonight.

SO's to Adri, Amberlynne, andyourlittledogtoo, CYMru, chiquens, Corina, Cushy(CK sis), DeAn(no Blood Ties famlet...hehe), Diablo, Dirty Socks(CK cous), Downtown Apartments, Dreaming Hawk(CK cous), dualslayers(sislet), Ergoshakes(CK sis), Extra Flamey(my huggle bunny), Frodo(fellow buffedpics member), horizon, janni(CK mom), kronos, Leather Jacket, Little Hen, Little Willow, Lyndsay, Mia, Molly, Morella, paks, Penlind, PTB, pumpkin, Rikki, Saint Buffy, Scooby Gangster, Shiraz Petra, Sir Chris, Slayerette 2K(sislet), Slayfaith, The Sci-Fi Bard , StGermain, and turtle...

Insane for Kane Member #1

DeKnight Rider #32

Hallett is a Hottie #50

Fury Fanatic #188

GLL #19

GLTH #23

Boo Hoo Club Member #2

*tiggy bed is calling me so i must poof*

tessa says:
(Sat May 5 20:50:24 2001 198.92.66.182): Mia: Hey, how are you feeling? Better? Thanks for your good vibes on my daughter's Pollock project; she won first place and is going to regional's! She's pretty happy. Also, will be e-mailing you re: the host's b-day. The artchild wants to send him a picture and such. Hope all is well with you and yours!

tessa

Werewolf, Where wolf? says:
(Sat May 5 20:49:13 2001 172.153.163.11): Jocklarry: You? Here? My, the security in this place isn't what it used to be! ;-) ("hi, btw.")

4W

Phil PhuD says:
(Sat May 5 20:48:39 2001 152.163.207.193): I'm back, but not for long. Still no word at Zap2it.com on the ANGEL/ROSWELL cancellation rumors. As I posted before, Zap2it has said that UPN would pick up ANGEL if it were cancelled by the Frog. E ONLINE! has said the same about ROSWELL. 'Night all!

Thoin says:
(Sat May 5 20:43:17 2001 207.112.165.160): Thoin smiles as the flame-retardent fabric, used in ALL Bronze furniture, does it's job admirably.

Irene Adler, isn't it silly to think the Bronze Flame could ever be used for destructive purposes? It's not kindled that way...

faking my way says:
(Sat May 5 20:41:50 2001 24.23.155.225): AHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The suspense is killing me. Just killing me. I want to know which spoilers are true. I want to know what's suppose to happen. I want to know what Joss has planned out. It's not fair. I'm getting impatient and the spoilers seem to all be wrong. Die Joss. I mean that with the utmost respect and love. Ah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11

Sorry. Needed to get that out.

Mia says:
(Sat May 5 20:41:45 2001 152.163.213.63): Narrator Thank you, well said on your end too..I was shaking the whole time I was writing it. *hugs*

paksenarrion *hugs* Well said yourself.

BuBBle feeling Disney today??? LOL Hakuna Matata, what a wonderful phrase, Hakuna Matata ain't no passing craise. It means no worries, for the rest of your days. Its our problem free, philosphy Hakuna Matata. *weg*

Irene Adler :) Thank you! Atleast I made 3 cents out of the deal! :) Seriously, thank you...see Narrators post above. I tend to not post topicy to avoid situations, but I couldn't sit back. Being a "family" member here for almost 2 years..I just couldn't.

tiggy You are quite of the welcome. I believe you have more e.

~Mia

GilesSlave says:
(Sat May 5 20:40:55 2001 205.188.193.28): Okay, I am sure you have been harrassed with this question repeatedly, but i have only just two minutes ago read it on the wb posting board. Is Angel going to be canceled? My heart just dropped into my stomach. I mean some of my favorite shows have been cancelled before (Alien Nation, MacGyver)but I NEED this show. It's the only thing that de-stresses me. I think if the cancel it, i will jsut have to move to CA and chain myself to the WB lot until they put it back on.

genrefan says:
(Sat May 5 20:40:41 2001 144.74.26.246): kristen:

Thanks for posting that link. It was great to be able to thank Joss for 100 episodes of great entertainment.

Christopher Marlowe:

I think Buffy and Willow may have said "Oh, God" a few times, but just as an exclamation or an expression. I had the feeling from the way Spike said "Oh, God" in Intervention that he was actually asking God for help. Of course, I could be reading too much into it.

banana says:
(Sat May 5 20:39:23 2001 63.24.14.11): laffin! yes, I did see Tough Love. I'm in the states (TX), so I'm up to date. Thanks for the Roswell info back on the last board, btw. It was good to see you, night!

BuBBle! ;) How are you doing?

NuPhalanx~ absolutely. *g* My sn is above.

banana

Allyson says:
(Sat May 5 20:37:55 2001 64.12.104.186): Allyson who figures if they
are so freakin adamant about the
crap stained candle, she might as
well put it to good use and
lights the freakin' "Couch of
Depression" on fire. There will
be plenty of fertilizer in the
Kingdom of Jossalot
tomorrow...

Claris No prob,
girlfriend, come on over here and
help me get rid of all the crap
in the Bronze that is so freakin
annoying you want to tear your
eyeballs out. It will make you
feel like you've done something
contructive with your day.

Any requests?

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Sarah's carl says:
(Sat May 5 20:37:14 2001 209.240.221.62): W-Sky, Thanks, never seen her films. Pierce is having fun..

spikes girl from lurkage says:
(Sat May 5 20:36:51 2001 165.166.16.168): Allyson : hun, i get the feeling that something is bothering you besides the fire of the bronze. what ever it is don't stess about it right now. just try to relax and enjoy your bronze time.and for heavens sake please try to improve the attitude . . . please? just a little? just an intsy wintsy bit? here have a drink and put it on my tab. k? hope everything turns out ok.

Thoin says:
(Sat May 5 20:36:17 2001 207.112.165.160): Lizza Slayer, sweetie, sorry. I didn't see your post to me earlier. Not quite recovered, but trying to. Have a good night, kiddo.

Sephiroth says:
(Sat May 5 20:36:04 2001 64.108.10.232): (Very) Unfortunately I just died in FFVII. The sad thing however was that I died by very easy people. I was at a place with easy enemies yet I put the controls in the hands of my cousin while I ame in here to post. I faintly heard him say "Cloud died" but was typing to someone here and when I got back, Cloud was dead and the other 2 were about to die in a second. Like I predicted, Cid died, but the surprise to me was that Barret shot himself to death! He must've had Confu on him, but I didn't see him spinning in a circle...

Little Willow says:
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--> Offline for dinner after this

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Lizza Slayer says:
(Sat May 5 20:34:30 2001 152.163.195.209): Now I'm truly gone. Lizza Slayer pouts some more.
No responses from Irene and Thoin. Too bad. In response to your sadness, Irene, have faith in God and The Flame.
Good Night. (Special Goodbyes to Sephiroth, Wolfguard, Thoin, Irene Adler, and Slayerdaddy. ) *poof*

Terry McGuiness says:
(Sat May 5 20:33:42 2001 152.163.195.197): I've been gone for a while and just wanted to say I'm happy with the way this season has gone down. I would really like to see an Angel Buffy crossover where the scooby gang teams up with Angel's gang in L.A..

Sephiroth says:
(Sat May 5 20:32:45 2001 64.108.10.232): Lizza Slayer - Yes, but since I wasn't using the chair just now, I couldn't feel my legs! =)

W-SKy says:
(Sat May 5 20:32:30 2001 204.50.249.133): Thoin: I'm all right, thanks. Quite tired from a day of walking/shopping... and also a bit sore from some weird spur-of-the-moment 10 minutes on the excercise bike. Ouch.

Sarah's carl: It was Julia Stiles, I think...?

BuBBle says:
(Sat May 5 20:32:07 2001 203.59.3.21): Claris LOL. Good, because it wasn't meant to piss you off. *g*

DeAn:) Aww. *hug*

~Bec

laffin says:
(Sat May 5 20:31:01 2001 63.10.10.62): banana - oooh calculus. Sounds fun. I wish I was you! lol I'm doin' alright. I'm rewatching "Tough love" right now with my sisters. Have you seen it yet? I just realized that I have no idea where you live. *g* Well seeing as how everyone is ignoring me here (except you) and my sister wants the computer... I guess I'll go now. I'll talk to ya later! :)

Bye guys :)

*poof*

Lizza Slayer says:
(Sat May 5 20:30:36 2001 152.163.195.209): Thanks Wolfguard for responding. Yes that was my post and your post was clearly expressed. I just hate being classified under the whole Teenybopper who goes for the Bad Boy all the time. To quote my Aunt Judy, "Honey, you've been an adult since you were three. And now my daughter is following in your footsteps."

jocklarry says:
(Sat May 5 20:29:46 2001 141.156.134.106): DilEmma <-- Hmm. I wasn't expecting that. *lol*

loveallracesloveallracesloveallraces

spike's girl says:
(Sat May 5 20:29:14 2001 165.166.16.168): Thoin : thank you and your welcome. i know that he is in super hands. he is cute, isn't he!

k. well. goodnight all. the bed is callling. thank you all for the info and great topicage. i'll see you all again soon!!

{{HUGS}} for all!!
*poof*

wolfguard says:
(Sat May 5 20:28:59 2001 209.193.234.4): Lizza Slayer,

Typo in my last post.

This My post was not directed for your thought should read My post was directed for your thought. Apologies. *g*

WG

Sarah's carl says:
(Sat May 5 20:28:51 2001 209.240.221.62): Anyone watch SNL? Who just played Jenna Bush?

StGermain says:
(Sat May 5 20:28:49 2001 12.77.80.83): Irene Adler - You have return e, sis-in-law. ;-)

Slayerdaddy - You, too.

StG

Claris says:
(Sat May 5 20:28:25 2001 205.188.195.42): banana : yah, but I'm not
on my normal AIM acct. so I need
you to e me which you're on so I
can send you an AIM. I don't
have my list here.

BuBBle : I'm not pissed
dear. You've opened up a whole
new activity to occupy my time :
payback.
*evil grin*

Allyson : yah, I asked LJ
to give me another dunking when I
saw him tonight. I had a Guiness
& I'm unemployed. Does that
count?

Sorry honey. I'm gonna go
establish that thingy tomorrow
morning. 'Member Satan's Ghetto
Wench? The drama continued to
unfold, and I've been busy the

Thoin says:
(Sat May 5 20:27:58 2001 207.112.165.160): Just as Irene Adler is about to go ballistic, Thoin grabs her shoulders and gently restrains the Bronze Priestess. She gently removes the Bronze Flame from the trash and sets it upright on its base again. Then she simply steps back and waits. There is a soft sputtering, a few flickers of slight sparks, a small sizzle and then the flame is back again, small at first, but gradually growing brighter and brighter. Thoin gives her daughterlet a quick hug...

Irene Adler, see? Even THAT cold misery could not extinguish this flame. Trust it to burn. It knows how.

Lizza Slayer says:
(Sat May 5 20:27:13 2001 152.163.195.209): Uh oh. My mom's a calling. Ugh. She wants me in bed. Sigh.
Maybe I can squeeze five minutes out of her.

wolfguard says:
(Sat May 5 20:27:06 2001 209.193.234.4): Greetings paksenarrion & DowntownApartment

NuPhalanx,

They have the right to assemble. As long as they have a permit and behave like young adults. *g*

Lizza Slayer,

I'm not certain if I read the correct post, but did read yours responding to my post of the teen-age girl's theory on D&B men. My post was not directed for your thought, but was not referring to your motivations. Hope that was a clearly expressed thought on my part. *g*

WB to UPN!

No more frogs. - Willow

Good Night to All

WG

Allyson says:
(Sat May 5 20:25:58 2001 64.12.104.186): Claris: Babe, you WON the
essay contest, where's my
confirming email? Huh? HUH?!?!

On second thought, Allyson takes
that &%@!* candle, eats it, and
figures anyone who wants it back
can follow me to the bathroom.
Light THAT.

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Narrator says:
(Sat May 5 20:25:43 2001 64.108.199.171): Allyson -- Yesterday, the 4-8:00 pm board (your time).
Mia, paksenarrion -- Well said.

Mrs.Beasley says:
(Sat May 5 20:24:38 2001 205.188.192.46): NuPhalanx: I'm about to leave as it is past my bedtime. I do however have a tape of last Tuesday's Buffy and Angel for you.

NuPhalanx says:
(Sat May 5 20:24:24 2001 24.166.101.80): bannaannnaaaa!!!! - )))HUGS((( just because. Send me your AIM nick and we'll chat sometime.

Allyson - who's Geo? And yes, Narrator has a heart of gold.

NuPh

jocklarry says:
(Sat May 5 20:23:28 2001 141.156.134.106): I just posted this on the threaded, but I thought it might be more appropriate here, so here goes...

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I think the single episode that has set the tone for this season is "The Replacement." In that episode, Xander is attacked by a demon that splits his identity in two: one Xander is calm, mannered, strong, intelligent while the other is erratic, clumsy, weak and somewhat dumb. The message is that Xander is both of these personalities in one single identity.

Now, we see that some the other characters on Buffy experience the same dilEmma. Ben, as a mortal whose body is periodically used as a vessel by demon hellgod Glory, is both Ben and Glory. He is puppet and puppetmaster. Likewise, Dawn is both a 14-year-old girl and The KEY, a mysterious entryway to a netherworld dimension and some say the only way to save humankind. There have been other instances as well throughout the history of the series - Oz as both human and werewolf, Angel as both good and evil, but I think that there's another example right under our noses and that's Willow/Tara.

It wasn't until this week's episode, "Tough Love," that I really began to see the value of Tara's character as exemplar of Willow's prior self. Like Tara, Willow was once shy and reserved, with an active internal life superior to any interactions with friends and others. Her witchcraft was more hobby than study, and - most obviously - she dated men. Now, Willow is forthright and bold, and this week wielded her witchcraft as a weapon against Glory.

In her conversation with Willow, Tara expressed fright at how much Willow is changing week-to-week. And when Willow mentioned that she didn't understand because her mother hadn't died, I couldn't help but ask the screen: didn't she? "Gingerbread" is the only episode in which we've seen Mrs. Rosenberg and the series has made clear she is not very active in Willow's life. My point is that Tara is a mirror of Willow and expresses - yet again - the duality of character.

In "Buffy vs. Dracula," Buffy was outraged that Dracula described her as a killer. But she is. She is both savior and slayer and I have a feeling that we are going to have to see one to understand the other in the finale.

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Spoilery Season 5 Thoughts Above

Thoin says:
(Sat May 5 20:23:23 2001 207.112.165.160): Thoin signals the bartender to put a vanilla latte on her tab for Spike's Girl, then she settles down to cuddling little Shaggie, who is peaceful and calm, a darling new presence...

Spike's Girl, thank you! He's marvelous, isn't he? I'm sure the other Fifths are going to just love him to pieces. I know I will.

W-SKy, it's going oddly tonight, but I refuse to get cranky about it. How are you this evening, though?

Irene Adler, I like that. As a mantra, it works. I believe. Beats heck out of that X-Flies silliness. Short, simple, declarative. I can live with it.

Slayerdaddy, but with a glass casing, we're cut off from it's healing rays. Please, trust the flame. Take the glass away. We need the light and warmth more than the safety factor.

Bradman says:
(Sat May 5 20:22:50 2001 199.179.182.230): Buffy needs Joyce to keep her sane! Joyce leaving was a cosmic mistake.Those who have ears hear!

Lizza Slayer says:
(Sat May 5 20:22:37 2001 152.163.195.209): Back from serious Lurkage.
Hello Thoin!!: Are you feeling any better from the whole sucky week?
Sephiroth: Is your back feeling any better?
Irene Adler: Hey!! I'm so glad you're here. I haven't gotten any reply from you. Lizza Slayer pouts.
Can't stay for long. Gonna *poof* in a bit.

paksenarrion says:
(Sat May 5 20:21:22 2001 209.4.94.15): Genrefan What, you mean all those many many many thousands ok slight exaggeration there-only hundreds of the click/back thingies I did and he is NOT even in the magazine..ggggrrrrr. But seriously, it seems as if the 50 most beautiful people are always the same 100 or so.

Tiggy{{Hugs}} Evryone else seems to have left, so you and I have Steve and CK all to ourselves. MuWahaha.

Downtown Apartments Hello there.

Time for my two cents worth

Anything I could say would just be re-iterating what others like Thoin, Narrator, and Mia have said. If it is really true, we ahve nothing to be embarrassed about. The kind of caring and concern I have witnessed over the last couple of weeks makes me glad that I am able to interact with such wonderful people.

{{waves}} Good night to all :D

SO's go out to Ergoshakes, Lyndsay, Tiggy, Sir Chris, Miciaih, Kronos, Cushy, Janni and the rest of the Krazed Kaneis, Thoin (keeper of the Fifths), the RedHood, Lisa_H, Yummy, Wolfguard, Cleio, Christopher Marlowe, Cairo and anyone else I missed.

Paks

InsaneforKane#21
BBBGH#217
James Marsters is a Hottie#23
Sir Chris is a Hottie #5
DeKnight's Riders #48
Joss is a Hottie #52
GLL#53

member of Procrastinators anonymus...well I'll join tommorrow
I am the Patron Saint of Lost Causes
The truth is out there
Arachanphobia-not just a movie
Tagdropper extraordinaire
Ladies and gentlemen take my advice. Pull down your pants and slide on the ice-Dr. Sidney Freedman
The next Star Wars..less Wookie, more nookie...Jay Leno
The heart chooses as it will and time is NOT a factor...Thoin

DowntownApartments says:
(Sat May 5 20:19:40 2001 62.252.64.4): well think i need to sleep now

SO's and nighty night gowns (with no favourtism!) to X83, tiggy, Lydnsey, Toni, BritSlayer, kronos, ergoshakes,DeAn, Dunlin, wolfguard, Rikki,Little Willow, Molly, vampireinthebasement, James Kenickie, Slave2Faith, Kanies, B.R.I.T's, BBC are Evil's, or have had the pleasure speaking to recently! Nite!

take care people.

get a life??...but all the good lives are taken..

"I'm not gay, but my girlfriend is" - Someone said it..
Monkeys are often gifted story-tellers, being drawn to the world of fantasy

Willow: "Well, when I'm with a boy I like, it's hard for me to say anything cool, or witty... or at all. I can usually make a few vowel sounds, and then I have to go away."

Eliza is FOXY
I'm a fool, im a flop I'm a failure member #1
BBC are evil Member #27
Insane for Kane Member #56
B.R.I.T Member #35

Allyson says:
(Sat May 5 20:19:15 2001 64.12.104.186): Allyson gets out of the
Fount of Employment, walks over
to "the spirit of the bronze
candle," douses it with a cup of
cold reality, and tosses it in
the trash. Who the Hell brought
that gaudy thing in here to begin
with, man? It's been annoying
the **** out of me for months.
Figuring she's unemployed, had a
glass of wine, and is really
freakin' tired and drained and
has nothing to lose, Allyson pops
some corn and plans to sit back
and watch this unfold.

Narrator: You're a good
soul, glad to count you as a
friend. You did a GOOD thing.
Absolutely. Oh, and Geo
flipped out? Which board? I
GOTTA see this drama...

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banana says:
(Sat May 5 20:18:19 2001 63.24.14.11): laffin~ hey there! how are you? I'm doing a fun Calculus review tonight since my final is on Mon. ;oP

Claris~ I didn't have AIM turned on. Thought it would be better not to tempt things and actually get some studying done. lol. I'm on now though. What's up?

hello's to StG, NuPhalanx, Sarah's carl, newfan, Amberlynn and everyone else I don't know! ;)

banana

DeAn:) says:
(Sat May 5 20:17:17 2001 195.92.198.75): claris and BuBBle- *smooooooooooooootch* without you two i would suck 24/7. but now it's only every other saturday. hi mia!

*goner than gone*

slayerdaddy says:
(Sat May 5 20:15:51 2001 209.182.160.193): slayerdaddy crosses to the Bronze flame, reaches into his tattered Burberry, and sets a Waterford crystal storm chimney around the Bronze flame...

Sometimes every thing needs a little support. Luckily those cold winds blow strongest in some folks' hearts and not the real world...

StG � You have e.

BuBBle says:
(Sat May 5 20:14:45 2001 203.59.3.21): Ahh. Today will be spent re-watching Disney movies.

Claris How are you, Miss Evil? *g*

~Bec
no-one sayin do this, no-one saying be there, no-one saying STOP THAT!, no-one saying see here...

spike's girl says:
(Sat May 5 20:13:11 2001 165.166.16.168): Thoin : here is little shaggie. he has a black,white, and grey blanket and pillow.
** hands the wrapped up fifth over to thoin **
i know that you'll take good care of him.
i'll take a vanilla latte please.

W-SKy says:
(Sat May 5 20:12:53 2001 204.50.249.133): Hi everyone!

Thoin: Hey there, how's it going tonight?

Heeeey, did someone mention Bridget Jones's Diary? That movie was soooo good. I've been ranting about it for weeks now to anybody who'll will listen. Colin Firth, siiiiiiigh.

Irene Adler says:
(Sat May 5 20:12:49 2001 63.21.252.188): Mia I see your two cents, and raise you a nickel.

I believe.

Momlet smile We've endured worse.

NuPhalanx says:
(Sat May 5 20:12:45 2001 24.166.101.80): wolfguard - your post about cops and lethal force was well done. There are cops on duty trying to keep the annual Akron U riot/party under control. Of course a bunch of spoiled brats are whining about their "right" to party being taken away....

Penlind - bummer.

NuPh

Sarah's carl says:
(Sat May 5 20:10:58 2001 209.240.221.62): genrefan, The Sarah Michelle Gellar fans learned a few years ago that the People online poll would not get Sarah in the magazine. In fact they indicated that every year. Plus the online poll was reduced to a joke when Hank the Angry Drunken Dwarf won in 1999. The James Marsters fans might have had fun voting, but I hope no one had a belief it would put James in the magazine.

Thoin says:
(Sat May 5 20:09:40 2001 207.112.165.160): Thoin smiles as the Bronze Flame flickers and then continues to burn brightly. No manner of hot air will blow THIS candle out...

Irene Adler, when you light 'em, they stay lit!

Mia says:
(Sat May 5 20:08:16 2001 152.163.213.197): Time for Mia's two cents

I too had thought, on many occasions, that the posting done by Penlind & Cairo could be fake. I didn't want to believe it, but it is part of my nature. It is the way I am. It is HARD to earn my trust. My heart aches at the possibility that someone, anyone would take a child and use such a terrible thing *especially since my Goddaughter is sick as well* to gain attention, respect or anything else that may come out of this for them. Did I pray? Yes. Did I wish? Yes. Did I hope? Yes. None of that was in vein. If anything I am a better person for it. It shows our heart. If this is indeed a hoax, brilliantly set up to make us look the fools, it won't work. We did nothing to be embarassed or ashamed about. We are human, and when a child is sick, we want to help. That shows how heartfelt we are, not how gulable. I hope with all my heart that what has gone on is for real I mean, if it is real I wouldn't want Djo to be sick, but you understand. No matter what. This shows that the Bronze is full of people who can love, and support and I personally admire everyone of you.

~Mia

Claris says:
(Sat May 5 20:07:07 2001 205.188.195.42): Megdalen : Banana's in the
middle of finals right now, but
has promised me she would be back
to spend time with us over the
summer.

oh, yah. *smooch*

Speaking of....

banana! hey you! send the
AIM you're on to my yahoo acct.
Trust me, I'll explain it when I

spike's girl (otherwise known as sg) says:
(Sat May 5 20:06:49 2001 165.166.16.168): I have a new fifth!! yay!! hmmm. what shall i call you my wee one? how about shaggie after my favorite dance - the shag. ** wrapping her new little fifth in a black, white, and grey blanket she knitted herself and set it gently in her front pack made especially for fifths **
there little one. comfy? good. guess what . . . you have two sisters and a brother. rainbow and clover your sisters and star your brother.

Narrator says:
(Sat May 5 20:06:49 2001 64.108.199.171): Welcome to another installment of Mock the Narrator. Of course, tonight it is like shooting fish in a barrel.

THE Kristen -- Hey, be kind to us elderly Dutch women.

Thoin -- Sorry, I didn't see your post before I posted last. Well said.

Amberlynne -- Why weren't you here earlier, humm?

StGermain -- *smootch*

DowntownApartments says:
(Sat May 5 20:06:10 2001 62.252.64.4): Hey everyone!!

How goes it? I'm driving by this evening, as Im a drunk and just returned from our uni summer ball. Everyon seems to have had mediocre evenings for �23 but i sasw the woman of my dream *g* so I was singing all the way home.. easily pleaseed me.

hey wolfguard and anyone who knows who i am.

get a life??...but all the good lives are taken..

"I'm not gay, but my girlfriend is" - Someone said it..
Monkeys are often gifted story-tellers, being drawn to the world of fantasy

Willow: "Well, when I'm with a boy I like, it's hard for me to say anything cool, or witty... or at all. I can usually make a few vowel sounds, and then I have to go away."

Eliza is FOXY
I'm a fool, im a flop I'm a failure member #1
BBC are evil Member #27
Insane for Kane Member #56
B.R.I.T Member #35

tiggy3323 says:
(Sat May 5 20:04:58 2001 65.8.174.91): *sigh* it is truly sad that we as a society have become so jaded and distrustful that we are now speculating on the validity of a certain poster's existence. i, for one, am with Thoin. i continue to believe that there is such a person. she has been nothing but kind and insightful to me and i am eternally grateful for that.

moving on...

Mia
*squeal* you have return e. thank you thank you thank you!!!

Amberlynne
{{{hugs}}} how are you tonight?

Insane for Kane Member #1

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genrefan says:
(Sat May 5 20:04:28 2001 144.74.26.246): Megdalen:

Isn't Colin Firth adorable? I've loved him since Pride and Prejudice. There are lovely pictures of him in this week's issue of People magazine, in their 50 Most Beautiful People special.
Sadly, even though James M. won the on line pole, he's not even included in the magazine version.

paksenarrion:

I heard that rumor about Anya too, but I really don't know what to believe at this point. But I do suspect the PTB's have had something to do with Spike's good behavior, even if they haven't given him a soul. Remember in Season 4, Giles made a very foreshadowy statement to Spike, something like "Have you ever considered that this may have happened to you for a reason?" Wise, wise Giles. I think he was right. I think that the PTBs made him "good" to save the world from Glory.

paksenarrion says:
(Sat May 5 20:03:49 2001 209.4.94.15): Christopher Marlowe As far as I can remember, Spike is the only one to have invoked God's name in that manner.

Paks

CHWoR says:
(Sat May 5 20:03:21 2001 216.34.244.74): The cold, harsh winds of reality blow through the Bronze...extinguishing that dumbassed candle...

Kristen says:
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Thoin says:
(Sat May 5 20:03:05 2001 207.112.165.160): Spike's Girl, well, now you get the rare and much-sought-after honor of becoming a Foster Bronzer, with full visitation priveledges, bragging rights and the drink of your choice. But first, you must name the sweet, shiny thing, as my Fifths become traumatized without proper names.

Sephiroth says:
(Sat May 5 20:01:23 2001 64.108.10.232): Fifth!

sg says: (Sat May 5 20:01:18 2001 165.166.16.168): fifth

sg says: (Sat May 5 20:01:05 2001 165.166.16.168): fifth?>

Sephiroth says:
(Sat May 5 20:01:04 2001 64.108.10.232): Nice unintentional first.

StGermain says:
(Sat May 5 20:00:54 2001 12.77.80.83): Irene Adler - Are you okay? My e addy is above if you need me.

StG

spike's girl says:
(Sat May 5 20:00:47 2001 165.166.16.168): fifth?